Both: Which side has the pandemic helped more?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don’t know that I think either side has benefited at all, but I do feel like I’ve noticed the past year and a half that there’s more open criticism about transition, the trans community and qt ideology. People are peaking and people who’ve been peaked are speaking more openly. And even if it’s not a “peak” situation, people seem generally more comfortable and willing to say that some things seem unfair to women (and even men and kids) or don’t make sense. I don’t think it’s this drastic wave of backlash or anything that is going to scare qt, but I think it’s an interesting shift that could lead somewhere in a few years lol

I think it’s because we’ve all been focused on news and media so much, and trans issues and discussions are so prevalent. People didn’t have as many things to do and be distracted by, and we’ve been glued to social media more than ever, so even the people who weren’t paying attention to all the gender politics couldn’t help but end up somewhat informed, even if just about the super-sexuality memes (which would lead to finding out the reason for the super straight thing- and then you’re down a rabbit hole, if you get me)

I think this happened with a lot of important discussions, obviously with race and gender but I think a lot of huge political issues got examined more thoroughly by more individuals than usual since the quarantine, and I think this has benefited GC more than QT, to bring it back to your post lol

Edit- “somethings” to “some things”

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

People are peaking and people who’ve been peaked are speaking more openly. And even if it’s not a “peak” situation, people seem generally more comfortable and willing to say that some things seem unfair to women (and even men and kids) or don’t make sense. I don’t think it’s this drastic wave of backlash or anything that is going to scare qt, but I think it’s an interesting shift that could lead somewhere in a few years lol

Oh yes, I'm seeing and hearing GC talking points and criticism or questioning about QT assertions and transgenderism just in the general public for sure, even from extremely pro-trans people. This is silly, but to me this looks like the story of the tortoise (GC) and the hare (QT). You put it quite well, I'm inclined to agree with all of this.

I think it’s because we’ve all been focused on news and media so much, and trans issues and discussions are so prevalent. People didn’t have as many things to do and be distracted by, and we’ve been glued to social media more than ever, so even the people who weren’t paying attention to all the gender politics couldn’t help but end up somewhat informed, even if just about the super-sexuality memes (which would lead to finding out the reason for the super straight thing- and then you’re down a rabbit hole, if you get me)

I think this happened with a lot of important discussions, obviously with race and gender but I think a lot of huge political issues got examined more thoroughly by more individuals than usual since the quarantine, and I think this has benefited GC more than QT, to bring it back to your post lol

Inclined to agree with all of this, too! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and observations, some of my suspicions are a little more confirmed...

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Im very curious to see what’s going to come in the next year or two.

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Time doesn't seem to be on the side of QT or gender ideology (at least these craze-like levels of it). It seems like people whose GD desisted and/or who detransitioned are going to maybe play a really big role shifting the conversation and peaking people, or at least really getting people to reevaluate their beliefs. People seem to really be getting more and more upset about what's happening to girls and women and LGB people for the sole benefit of transgenderism and trans people. I'm sort of anticipating a SuperStraights 2: Genetic Boogaloo, but you and others here who have been following things for a while seem to have your expectations tempered more than I would have thought--it's probably wiser to follow your lead.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

SuperStraights 2: Genetic Boogaloo

Amazing! 😂😂😂

I do think that eventually there will be a huge backlash for qt; I expect allies to turn and gc/Radfems and maybe even others who are just fed up will probably eventually start protesting and stuff like that but I think it’s a ways off

Tra narratives and ideology aren’t really sustainable and they seem to be pushing everyone’s buttons and boundaries

[–]kwallio 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tra narratives and ideology aren’t really sustainable

Totally agree.

The TRAs have adopted an untenable position longterm - total agreement on all issues and terminology with no debate, ever, even as those issues and terms change on the daily. Absolutely no safeguarding or waiting required when children are involved, must validate the trans identity. Its completely bonkers and like you said, unsustainable.