Both: Which side has the pandemic helped more?

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[–]kwallio 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think mostly its been a wash. I feel like the qt position has been pulled out into the open more, but the backside of that is that its been increasingly obvious that women and the reality based community are losing, badly.

The qts have made quite the asses of themselves, from the NYT article about someones nb status being meaningless when she was alone to the whining about trans surgeries being put off due to covid.

For me personally the pandemic has made me less inclined to give qt the benefit of the doubt and has essentially made me more extreme in my terfery. I used to be of the "its not a big deal to use neo/cross sex pronouns, costs $0 to be polite" type of person and have gone hard in the other direction because being "nice" is never reciprocated.

I think in my case being isolated from my very liberal very woke very pro-trans friends sort of did this, because you never want to be the one with no friends but a year without hanging out with them made me realize that they weren't really my friends anyway. Very few of them ever made the effort to check in, so screw it.

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I think mostly its been a wash. I feel like the qt position has been pulled out into the open more, but the backside of that is that its been increasingly obvious that women and the reality based community are losing, badly.

I feel the same about QT's problems being more exposed. My closest friends and family have even asked me about some of those problems and what's happening to women's rights--even some really supportive, 'pro-trans' people are at least noticing and troubled by these things. Although that seems to be how many if not most people have gotten into GC feminism. But if QT's problems are being brought more to light, wouldn't that help women more?

For me personally the pandemic has made me less inclined to give qt the benefit of the doubt and has essentially made me more extreme in my terfery. I used to be of the "its not a big deal to use neo/cross sex pronouns, costs $0 to be polite" type of person and have gone hard in the other direction because being "nice" is never reciprocated.

I go so back-and-forth about this. It's really, really hard to not be polite, and it sounds bad in my mind, but the way many radical feminists deliberately embrace that form of social disobedience on principle not only makes sense from a woman's perspective (or so I intuit), but I can see the logic behind it being kinder to not entertain or encourage what might be considered mental illness or just harmful/unsafe behavior.

I think in my case being isolated from my very liberal very woke very pro-trans friends sort of did this, because you never want to be the one with no friends but a year without hanging out with them made me realize that they weren't really my friends anyway. Very few of them ever made the effort to check in, so screw it.

That's very interesting! I am sorry you had to spend so much time away from friends, but that's really great that you grew because of that experience, and you recognize that. That's really admirable. The pandemic really sure seems to have a knack for revealing both the genuinely caring and uncaring people in our lives.

[–]kwallio 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I go so back-and-forth about this. It's really, really hard to not be polite, and it sounds bad in my mind, but the way many radical feminists deliberately embrace that form of social disobedience on principle not only makes sense from a woman's perspective (or so I intuit), but I can see the logic behind it being kinder to not entertain or encourage what might be considered mental illness or just harmful/unsafe behavior.

I actually feel this pretty hard. Everyone pretty much is socialized to not rock the boat and to accomodate people, pushing back against people is hard.

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This is why sometimes I really envy psychopathic lack of care about what others think of them. It's quite a test of conviction, there's like nothing really to reinforce or encourage breaking that kind of nicety. You have to really, really believe in what you're doing since it can seem rude or hateful (or even violent to some).