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[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

Not really. An artificial diamond is still a diamond. Artificial just means produced by humans, it doesn’t mean it isn’t “real”.

[–]FlanJam 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Real literally means 'not artificial'. So if its artificial, its not real.

According to Merriam Webster:

: not artificial, fraudulent, or illusory : genuine

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

A meaning that has become associated with the word, but artificial’s primary meaning is made by humans. Things made by humans can be real members of a category of things that occur in nature. Artificial insemination is for instance is not fake insemination.

[–]FlanJam 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't quite understand what you're saying, perhaps you could clarify or rephrase.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Is artificial insemination “real” insemination? Obviously it is. Ergo artificial primarily means “made by humans” even if it has a secondary association of being “not real” in some instances.

[–]FlanJam 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you're using "real" differently from how the dictionary uses it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But artificial insemination doesn't mean that it's not real insemination, LOL. It means insemination that is done in a way that is not the natural way insemination most commonly occurs. Artificial in this sense really means human-assisted insemination.

Also, AI is not done using a synthetic ersatz sperm or egg made by humans in an artificial way. The eggs & sperm in AI still have to be genuine gametes made by ovaries & testes.

[–]bopomofodojo 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Try selling that artificial diamond as a gemstone and see how far you get...

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

That doesn’t make it not a diamond

Also 20-30% less per karat is a price I’m seeing

[–]bopomofodojo 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

You're right, it doesn't. It's still a diamond. An artificial diamond, since those are considered "lower quality" for gemstone purposes. Thus, for this purpose there is a distinction between "artificial" and "natural" that matters. Carat for carat, you get more for a "natural" diamond and thus the distinction is useful. Simply saying" but they're all diamonds" ignores this classification scheme, just as ignoring whether a body part is artificially constructed or not matters. But this is an academic distinction anyways since we're at best decades away from pseudo-genetalia that are actually identical to their natural counterparts, and the vast majority of trans people seem to have no interest in actually going through with radical body-altering surgery. But even then, the distinction would exist between "born" and "made" elements, no matter how subtle. Human-made is still human-made - even in diamonds it's possible to tell (man-made diamonds are "too perfect").

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (4 children)

All categories are subjective contructs

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So that means when I call transwomen men I’m not wrong? It’s a subjective construct so I can’t see how it could be wrong.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Its an opinion so correct and incorrect don’t enter into it

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So transwomen are males who are women by their own opinion? Is being a woman really a matter of opinion?

Why the huge stink and language policing and TWAW chanting when we don’t share the opinions of transgender people and refer to them by sex like everyone else?

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then I am not really sure what you are going on about. If categories are all subjective constructs, then why are you complaining about our definitions and fighting against them? We subjectively (🙄) consider artificial diamonds/meat not real or at least so completely different from the "natural" thing that they can never be used as a perfect replacement. Our definitions are simply doing what they are supposed to do, which is being "subjective".