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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Gender identity is the biggest crock of bullshit ever.

It’s so individualized and immeasurable that it’s meaningless.

It doesn’t make sense that someone can form a gender identity that counters the sex they are born and are seen/socialized as, meaning they’ve formed this identity despite how society sees and treated them, despite what they see when they see themselves, but somehow someway even though they were able to develop that sense of identity completely on their own, they now need the rest of us to constantly validate it? Also- if they felt secure enough in their identity before “transition”- why do they need to “transition”? Wouldn’t gender identity just mean that some unaltered male bodies happen to be women and some unaltered female bodies happen to be men? There are so many people calling themselves trans or “under the umbrella” who don’t do anything to physically “transition” they just claim to be the opposite gender (or one of hundreds) and go about their lives and as ridiculous as it sounds, to me it’s easier to believe that those people genuinely think they have a gender identity. They understand that the rest of us won’t see them as the gender they claim (even if they think we’re wrong for that), they still claim it-they’re also obnoxious as fuck and their ideology makes even less sense so don’t think I support them, just making a comparison. So how does that work? Why are some people able to live their truths (🙄) without drastic cosmetic surgeries and intentional hormonal imbalances while other people’s gender identity causes them to literally want to chop their dick off because they can’t wait for bottom surgery?

I don’t get that. How did you know it was valid before? How can you even confirm that what you’re calling gender identity actually even matches the gender identity of people born the sex you wish you were born? There’s literally no way to verify that what TW claim to be their gender identity would match the identity of women- there’s ample evidence that actually isnt the case.

Actual trans people (people who do “transition”) use gender identity to try to avoid acknowledging, possibly even to themselves, that they are severely mentally ill. It’s an attempt to legitimize themselves, it’s just desperate bullshit that can be seen through easily if you just listen to trans people try to explain it. I cannot believe people take it seriously and laws are being made to protect something we can’t even define and that they can’t even explain.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

That’s why I maintain it’s absolutely not their identity but the idealised version of themselves they wish they could be. They literally claim their identity is made up of things they have never experienced. That’s crazy..

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I agree.

Honestly- I don’t see how someone can identify as something they’ve specifically been identified and treated as the opposite of???? Like you literally get treated differently in almost every aspect of life than I do because of our sexes- but please tell me all about how you totally understand what it is to be in my shoes…

Gender identity is based on things that have nothing to do with actually being a female/male person, but rather with what is unnecessarily associated with the sexes/genders. How do you identify into a social structure that wasn’t applied to you and that you were exempt from? And how do you account for people who behave counter to gendered expectations but don’t identify as the other sex?

If this is your identity, why do you need to change your name, intentionally give yourself a hormone imbalance, and possibly have/want to have extensive cosmetic surgery to be “yourself”? How does that even begin to translate to being “authentic” to who you are? It’s the literal opposite.

It doesn’t make sense. There are so many huge contradictions that never gets addressed.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I want, therefore I am.

It’s so far removed from what self identity actually is. The short answer to all the questions raised is ‘it isn’t/doesnt’.

Any attempt to address it is always met with the melodramatic ur literally killing meeee crap. They have to know on some level if their first line of defense is emotional manipulation.

If they bother to actually answer, it’s inevitably a vague, handwave answer like ‘I just feel better’.

It’s bonkers that we’ve got thousands of self proclaimed psychology experts who managed to miss Erikson and his contemporaries.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I want, therefore I am.

I think it's more like I covet, therefore I am. Or What I covet, I am.

To covet means specifically to want to possess something belonging to someone else. When someone is covetous, the intent is not just to obtain whatever is coveted, but to take away what is coveted from someone else & leave them empty handed. A guy who is merely envious of his neighbor's spiffy new sports car can go buy one for himself - & that will satisfy him. But a covetous guy won't be happy with that. A covetous guy will only be satisfied if the neighbor's sports car is taken away from the neighbor & given to himself. The covetous man revels in thievery & in the thought & sight of someone else being robbed of what is rightfully theirs.

I believe the vast majority of trans-identified males today are covetous towards the female sex of girls & women. They want what is ours for themselves for their own selfish, onanistic enjoyment - & for the additional pleasure of seeing us robbed of who/what we are, reduced to an undefinable category with no special name & denied basic human rights.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh damn that’s it

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

literally killing meeee

Just today saw: "Women having their own definition is what leading to record violence rates against trans people": https://twitter.com/Book_Worm_83/status/1414791694646538244

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lmao, how pathetic. Women’s opinions are making men hurt us! How dare the women!

Like we have control over men and just choose to send them out like attack dogs.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

4th and 6th rules of misogyny.

https://twitter.com/MichaelGLFlood/status/1215481118914306048

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Fuckin oath!

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You know what I am finding most funny in them? That those rules are existing for 10-12 years in this form (and even longer in different versions, up to 30-40 years), and they are perfectly describing why modern gender ideology movement is misogynistic. How perfectly those rules are covering all the actions and words of TRA and MRA, even thought were written long before anything happened on mass scale. Those rules are perfectly predicting how TRA are acting, reacting and what they are saying.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s amazing when they literally list out all the ways they deliberately perpetuate misogyny and then why they feel they are special enough to get away with it.

They got everyone so excited to cape for the poor widdle babies who just wanna take a wee wee :( that now, when they are openly hateful and violent towards women, their handmaidens still defend them while getting spat on.

Tra is just mra recycling sjw/post modern language. Incels, mras, tras, all really just men rejected by women and violently mad about it. The only thing that changes is the mask they wear.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit, I've seen this image before and thought it was made by radfems specifically about transwomen. You're telling me it was made pre-gender apocalypse about men who don't identify as women? That's amazing.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Eh that was a tangent lol, my bad!

Identity by nature shouldn’t be so fragile that it can be validated. It certainly shouldn’t need to be. If you know who you are, then someone else not seeing that should roll off of your shoulders easily. There shouldn’t be the ability to trigger you or ruin your day- look at Rachel Dolezal. She’s fucking nuts but the whole world telling her so didn’t sway her and she’s doubled down since being exposed. Obviously she’s not a black Roman (lmao! woman) and she’s awful, so maybe on the surface not a great example, but my point is it doesn’t matter what is said to or about her- Rachel is gonna Rachel and we can’t stop her lol, that’s the opposite for trans people. They lose their shit if they aren’t affirmed. They threaten suicide and call you a bigot. Meanwhile Rachel dgaf. Because she really believes herself.

I think preferences inform your experiences and personality. But I think identity is built on experience and the reality of your circumstances.

I don’t think it makes sense for gender identity to be separated from the rest of self identity. If it’s real it should all connect and make sense and be relatable. The fact that we might single just GI out is indicative of how much it doesn’t fit anywhere else because it’s bullshit lol

I think anyone who claims gender identity is either a woke sheep who’s just trying to be an ally or a deeply mentally ill person. Any other sense of identity is built around your lived experiences and the people and surroundings that influence you- GI is built on you rejecting all of that for something you can’t experience. It’s stupid.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was a great tangent then! You had me at: "Gender identity is the biggest crock of bullshit ever." It really is. Some inner sense of self sees people of the opposite sex outside itself and it says "that, I'm that. This aspect of me is one of them and I am 'that' so much that it over-rides the reality of my body", and once that idea is entertained in polite company flashing and indecent exposure becomes "stop staring at my ladyd*ck 7 year old terf".