All: Disclosure and Consent

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

You're advocating a return to the one-drop rule? What do you think race is, Heimdekledi? And being Jewish doesn't mean the same thing to all people. Unlike sex, which we all observe easily and unconsciously, every day of our lives, about people whose racial or ethnic identity may vary based on location.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

No, the discussion was that if because a racist might exists who wouldn’t want to unknowingly sleep with people whom they would consider a part of a group that they hate, should people whom consider themselves black for reasons of ancestry be forced to disclose the identity before every sexual encounter?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I’ve asked before, and you never address it so I’ll ask again and see if you do: where are you getting this from?

The discussion about TW and stealth/disclosure is pretty common knowledge. As I kept saying, TW know that there is an incredibly high possibility that any potential partner will not be open to dating them- solely and specifically because they are trans.

Can you disprove this? Can you show us that that’s not the case and the majority of people are actually open to sleeping with trans people?

My point being: you’re making this argument as if Jewish people and black people being commonly considered undesirable sex partners is a thing. As if there’s some debate going on about whether or not it’s gay/straight/acceptable etc to sleep with a Jewish/black woman. There’s not. There’s just fucking not and your refusal to deal with that so you can defend trans people committing rape is astonishing.

If a racist is openly so and a Jewish or lack person knowingly deceived them they’d be wrong. However there is no reason to assume that any/most men they meet will have an aversion to them. There’s not even a reason to assume most people they meet will be racist. The situation is not the same for TW. It’s just not.

A Jewish or black woman has the same genitals as a white woman. A TW does not and can not. For that (and safety) alone, they should disclose. Even if you think the other issues aren’t things that should be considered. You can’t give consent to have sex with genitals you don’t know you’re about to have sex with.

Bottom line- if you know that there is something about you that could reasonably potentially be a deal breaker, it is your responsibility to disclose. If you don’t, you are literally putting your desire for sexual gratification over someone else’s right to informed consent. Even if that’s not outright rape, it’s sexual violation and it’s not okay.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

All I hear is a hypocrite with a double standard.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not a double standard lol. You have no rebuttal, you have no response, so you act as if what I said isn’t true when you know it is.

People can’t consent to gay sex if they aren’t told they’re about to have gay sex.

People can’t consent to sleeping with a male if they don’t know they are about to sleep with a male.

People can’t consent to sexually interacting with a reconstructed penis if they don’t know they are about to interact sexually with a reconstructed penis.

This is fact.

But I know you don’t give a fuck about facts so just go ahead and continue promoting rape. You’re just going to help peak others. So thanks.

Not for the rape apologia, I hate that- but thanks for doing your part to peak the world lol