All: Disclosure and Consent

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[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

Lying would be deceitful

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Jesus Christ I really think you’re a long con troll. I have to believe this. Otherwise you’re actually terrifying.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Applying heims logic to anything else is really scary.

It’s ok to secretly remove a condom because she didn’t ask if I kept it on. She shouldn’t assume I won’t ejaculate in her.

It’s okay that I took this money from the wallet on the table because they left it on the table without specifying they don’t want anyone taking money from it.

It’s okay to drop six tabs of acid at the school musical recital because nobody said they’d prefer it if I didn’t.

Screaming for hours in the museum is ok. If visitors didn’t want to hear that they should have checked to make sure no screaming lunatics were in the museum.

I’m a hospital janitor giving out dilaudid. I put on scrubs and nobody asked me if I was a real doctor so it’s their fault they are dead of an overdose, not mine.

The building is on fire and it is the responsibility of the kindergarteners to ensure their preschool isn’t on fire so they can save themselves.

I purposely fed you food you are deathly allergic to. Your fault for not checking to make sure I didn’t add peanuts. Just because I cooked for you specifically you think you can just expect me to disclose my recipe?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That’s actually something I wasn’t even considering. When you’re so quick to make justifications for one, how do you stop it from spiraling into going way too far and justifying the unthinkable? Even making it easier for others to justify things you think are wrong? If trans people become the exception to every rule while they also make it possible to not even have to take a fucking step in the direction of transition to be considered trans, they’re setting us up for trouble. But at least they get validation lol

They get so upset about being associated with pedophilia and sexual assault (understandably so).

So why the fuck do they think it’s a good idea to be so staunchly supportive of putting themselves in a situation where they understand that them being trans can turn something that would’ve otherwise been consensual sex into something that borders (or is-imo) rape. Maybe it’s rude to say, but frankly it’s just fucking stupid to openly be pro “stealthing”. It makes everyone who isn’t a part of their community look at trans people sideways. Even people who otherwise don’t care think not disclosing is fucked up. It’s like they want to make things worse for themselves so they can continue to be the victim. But it can’t be just that because apparently there really are many TW just casually raping people everyday. So it’s not just an argument- it’s a mentality. And it’s a mentality that is encouraged and accepted among their community.

Fucking awful to think about.

And the fact that the lgb community have nothing to do with any of this and have to be dragged into it just adds an extra layer of bullshit

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

why the fuck do they think it’s a good idea to be so staunchly supportive of putting themselves in a situation where they understand that them being trans can turn something that would’ve otherwise been consensual sex into something that borders (or is-imo) rape

My guess? It’s mostly men doing this. Men who knowingly want to rape but fear the risks of being caught too much.

Blur the lines so much that the victim is unsure if she will be attacked for saying a male raped her, unsure of whether or not she was raped just like “what did you drink? What were you wearing?” victim blaming made women unsure if it was their fault because they got drunk or wore a skirt. It blurs the lines between virtue and mindless “be nice” kindergarten politics allowing predators to slip under the radar, or even be obvious and shielded by the trans banner (like than vaid-menon guy who says little girls are kinky

They don’t pushback against pedophiles because they, the pedophiles, are the movement. Too much power was handed over as nicety and muh basic human rights and the predators moved to the top like they often do. The mindless supporters prefer to turn a blind eye and keep playing nice than to admit they supported a dangerous movement.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

No all those other situations have it implicit not to do those things without permission. Although dropping acid is fine

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How the heck is dropping acid fine?!!!

And why is there not an implicit expectation that your romantic or sexual partner be truthful about their biological sex? I mean besides that some trans identified people don't want to hear a no for an answer.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But the implicit lack of attraction to men in a desired partner doesn’t matter if a male person wants to be seen as a woman and have sex with a straight man?

Also, dropping acid around children is fucked. For someone who preaches as though they have moral superiority you sure say stuff indicating a massive lack of moral or care for others.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

I mean you’re the group that allies itself with the right in order to take peoples rights away and make them less safe. So I have the same opinion of GC

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Also- why are you even bringing this up when we are literally talking about consent?

Like you support rape (if and only if it’s rape by deception, and then only if the rapist is trans), but sure I guess I’m just as awful for thinking females deserve equality lol

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I disagree with your transphobic definition of rape by deception.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You disagree that not telling a partner the truth about your sex is not telling a partner the truth about your sex?

Interesting. And incredibly convenient for you lmao

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’ve already acknowledged that consent to sex is not consent to all types of sex. You said this, you offered this, I didn’t ask you if you thought that.

So you acting like it’s okay for trans people to not disclose when they know it could be a deal breaker is you admitting that your desire for sex matters more than someone’s ability to consent to that sex.

Maybe you think rape is only rape when it’s forceful or violent. That’s not true.

If you deny someone the ability to offer informed consent, you have stolen someone’s agency from them because you wanted to get off. If that’s not rape, it is still wrong, it’s still a violation. It’s still fucking disgusting and the fact that you have never actually explained why and how it’s not but still continue to insist that it’s okay for trans people to not disclose is honestly incredibly scary.

Go ahead and tell me you think I’m scary too- I’m not the one advocating raping people because you don’t want to be honest or limit your dating pool to people who actually want to date you. You are. So even if we’re both scary, only one of us supports sexual violation and it’s not me.

That’s the thing- limited though the number may be, there are actually people open to dating trans people. So there’s no justification for not finding those people and instead raping people who wouldn’t want to be with you if they knew the truth, or raping people because you couldn’t be bothered to find out that they are actually open to being with you.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let me guess, radfems occasionally allying with conservatives says something about radfems in general, but this doesn't say anything about transwomen in general, right?

A recently published study on LGBTQ political leanings finds that transgender individuals are “significantly less liberal” than even cisgender men.

That's how it works in Heimdekledi Land, right?

Radfems sometimes ally with the right but you are the right in many cases, lol.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There’s a drastic difference between attempting to preserve rights you’ve already fought for and trying to take rights away from someone.

Transwomen took rights from women. Women want to take those rights back. We are, once again, not the same.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's TRA who are changing laws and policies behind everyone's back whithout any care about how they could affect anyone else. It's also TRA who constantly send rape and death threaths to dissenting women. It's also TRA who are burning books and suppressing dissenting voices. It's also TRA who are weaponising suicide to get what they want. It's also TRA who have got people fired for stating that sex is real and it does matter. It's also TRA who are keen on ignoring everyone else's boundaries. It's TRA who are advocating for the chemical castration of children.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So taking off the wedding ring and going to a singles event is okay, it’s up to everyone who interacts with them at the event to ask if they are married? Seems stupid.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I think how it seems to you says more about you then it does the situation