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[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I am sexually receptive (if that is what we calling enjoying being penetrated lol)

You're into anal sex. Don't compare that to having women's genitalia.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Don't compare that to having women's genitalia.

I don’t think that I was.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

You are saying you enjoy anal sex in the context of similarities to female sexuality. Anuses are not female genitalia, nor comparable to female genitalia in any way just because men can put their dicks in them. Gay men who engage in receptive anal sex are comparable to other gay men who do the same, not to women.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So, the first paragraph was more the one about my sexuality being like female sexuality, but even then I didn’t say it was exactly the same. I couldn’t know that because I’m not female, but I just feel like I have a lot in common with my friends. It’s just trying to compare what we like.

I don’t know why you are so stuck on anal sex. I rarely have anal sex and it’s not the only way I can be penetrated. Hopefully I don’t have to spell this out for you, but there is another option and it usually feels better anyway.

I’m not sure why I upset you so much, but you alway seem extremely hostile to me and attempt to take my words in the worst possible way. My comment had been here for most of a month and no other GC women though I was saying what you thought I was saying.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don’t know why you are so stuck on anal sex.

Because I consistently see male trans people and gay men use it to imply that it gives them an understanding of female sexuality, or makes them more like "girls". It is a common fetish in gay and trans communities, and it slips into serious claims that then get used in activism. The obviously faulty notion that being penetrated makes one a woman is pretty ubiquitous in our culture and this gets used against women all the time, to pressure them into penetrative sex, to define them as submissive because of it and for men to get off to these ideas.

you always seem extremely hostile to me and attempt to take my words in the worst possible way.

I take these statements in ways I consistently see them used. I do despise the logic they employ, but if you don't stand by them, then I don't take issue with you personally.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because I consistently see male trans people and gay men use it to imply that it gives them an understanding of female sexuality, or makes them more like "girls".

I would engage with someone who believes that then.

I do despise the logic they employ, but if you don't stand by them, then I don't take issue with you personally.

Everything I said was consistent with my original comment.

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I would engage with someone who believes that then.

I engage with anyone who makes claims consistent with that. People claiming they believe or don't believe something independent of their claims is 100% irrelevant to me.

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I was also the one who brought it up in the first place.

I'm sure the stereotype for HSTS would be that they are sexually receptive and would not desire to use their penises for penetration.

Which I then went on to speculate is a symptom of dysphoria, an aversion to penetrating because having a penis makes them dysphoric. Different from gay men who are receptive partners because they prefer the physical sensation and also different from natal women who do not have a penis to penetrate with.

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The problem is the idea that being penetrated is in any way indicative of femininity, and worse yet, that anal penetration is in any way comparable to having a vagina. These ideas get used against women all the time, now to the point of arguing against out very existence.

I've never experienced or cared for penetration, because the anatomical centre of my arousal is on the outside, as it is in all people. A lot of lesbians are the same way because they have the luxury of not defining themselves (entirely) according to men's preferences. For straight women, this isn't really an option because they're made to believe penetration is obligatory and the only possible way for them to have sex, regardless of their difficulties, sexual enjoyment, misogynistic perceptions of the act, risks and even health complications.

[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Peaking didn't bring it up, though, I did. And I also stated I don't believe being penetrated is an indication of femininity. Plenty of masculine men like having things up their ass, straight and gay alike.

For straight women, this isn't really an option because they're made to believe penetration is obligatory and the only possible way for them to have sex, regardless of their difficulties, sexual enjoyment, risks and even health complications.

Or you know, maybe some of us do genuinely enjoy our vaginas being penetrated by penises. I think it feels fantastic. There's no problem if any woman doesn't like it, regardless of her sexual orientation. It doesn't make her any more or less female. Women are women regardless of how they like having sex.

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Peaking didn't bring it up, though, I did.

I don't care who brought it up? I care about what was said. Whether you said it, or a snail on the street is 100% irrelevant to me.

I don't believe being penetrated is an indication of femininity.

Okay? Your previous comments directly tie these things to gender. Whether you personally believe something is irrelevant to me. I care about the statements that you have made and the fact that they rely on these gender norms. If you disagree, then word this disagreement. Avoiding this by derailing to who brought up what and making empty statements about what you feel is completely irrelevant to me and what I'm talking about.

maybe some of us do genuinely enjoy our vaginas being penetrated by penises.

And plenty of women like being whipped and getting titjobs. Your point? The "some women like it" bs is the most tired, brainless excuse, and it doesn't justify misogynistic sexual norms one bit. Some men like getting hit in the balls, how about we normalise that?

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're seriously comparing having intercourse to sexual violence.

Forget it. I don't know why you are so hostile and aggressive to everyone, but I'm out of the conversation.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry you got pulled into this Worried... ☹️

I’m starting to feel like this is more about them and their issues than any of us. I probably should have just not replied.