Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women?

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[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The problem is not that this attitude is sexist against men, the problem is that it's sexist against women. C'mon, feminist analysis of "benevolent sexism" goes back at least a hundred years now, to Virginia Woolf's angel in the house. One of patriarchy's key tools is the insistence that men can't and mustn't be expected to control themselves, and women's job is to civilize men and take on the burden of being men's punching bags in order to prevent men from attacking each other. You aren't saying anything new here, just the same old sexist tropes that have kept people like you in control of people like me for fucking thousands of years. It's not women's job to tame Enkidu, we're not going to do it for you anymore.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

It’s not women’s job to civilize men. They should avoid them too.

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Again you are putting a burden on women and letting men be whatever they want. The doctrine that men suck is bad for women. When you say that men are evil, or monsters, or lack empathy, or whatever you are talking about, you are letting them off the hook. You are holding women to a higher standard. This is not sexist against men, it is sexist against women. It is like how men pretend they are bad at doing laundry, so that women have to do the laundry. It means men are free, and women are not.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I’m not holding women to a higher standard. Women are baseline, men are monsters. It’s not a “care for men” it’s “avoid them, they aren’t safe.

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are absolving men of all responsibility. If you assert that men can't or shouldn't be expected to control themselves, then you are giving cover to the kind of people who say, well, women shouldn't go out at night if they don't want to get raped. This is antifeminist. I shouldn't be surprised, since I don't think I've ever seen you say anything that wasn't antifeminist, I guess.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Men are monsters and noone’s safe around them. If you believe differently put your skin at risk, not ours.