Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women?

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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (19 children)

I said treat not cure.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

…Sure, fair enough

But if you think it’s that deep of an insult, if it upsets you to the core, it just doesn’t seem like you’ve done anything (or enough, to be fair) to work through why you associate “man/men” with what you associate it with. You feel more comfortable in your body and less suicidal/depressed, but you still clearly have deep seated issues somewhere related to sex/gender, just based on your perception of men and women and what types of people each are.

So… does that just not ever get dealt with?

Because any effective- even just competent- treatment (not cure) surely would include unpacking that.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (17 children)

I’ve analyzed it. I’m right. Men are monsters partially socially partially because of testosterone. In a few generations if we stopped teaching men to be animals we might be able to get them to control the awful testosterone driven violence that they are filled with but this generation is already lost. You can’t be safe around these men.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

👀

Well alrighty then

Still- if you’re being treated effectively, being called a man shouldn’t have a huge effect on you. Doesn’t matter what the word means, it’s about the fact that it bothers you so deeply, it’s not about the trigger- it’s about being triggered. Obviously nothing was done to help you cope with that, and that seems like it’s pretty necessary

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (15 children)

It’s natural to be upset when someone purposefully insults you.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

“Man” is not an insult. You’ve made it out to be one in your head.

Which is exactly my point about being “treated” effectively

You have a tendency to answer our questions for us on accident lol

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

Man is an insult to a trans woman. You are purposefully referring to her as something you know she finds insulting. We have had this conversation.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Exaclty- “man” is an insult to TW. It’s not an insult in and of itself. That’s literally my point.

If you can’t even understand that “man” is not an insult to you- even just that some may use it only because its factually accurate, and you still associate such negativity with the word, you hardly seem to be being treated effectively. It’s a huge sign of on going mental health concerns.

We have had this conversation. Many many times. Because you can’t handle the reality of the word “man” even after being “treated”.

And before you say “words language evolve different meanings set groups lalalala”- Fact is the word bothers you. A lot. So what I’m saying is still relevant even if we account for your colloquial usage of sexed language.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (11 children)

Neutral terms exist so calling trans women men is insulting them with purpose. There’s no dancing around that.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Man is a neutral term. There is no implication or judgment in its meaning.

You’re mental condition makes you think it’s an insult, because nothing is done in your “treatment” to help you work through your issues with sex/gender.

There’s no dancing around that, but I’m sure you’ll try

[–]adungitit 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

You're just demanding that people use another lie because reality is insulting to you. Male trans people aren't "neutral", nor are they cats or helicopters, or trees. They are men. They are men regardless of how many temper tantrums they throw over that, regardless of how depressed that fact makes them, regardless of whether they love it or hate it, regardless of whether they're sleeping, or awake, or juggling oranges.

You're demanding that society and even science lie about objective reality solely because certain severely mentally ill individuals find reality "insulting" and their mental healthy relies on believing in falsehoods (again, similar to religion). It's not the people with eyes and a brain recognising reality that are magically making men into men with invisible laser beams. It's simply reality being what it is. Evolution wasn't invented by atheists wanting to insult Christians. Round Earth wasn't recognised because people just hate flat-earthers so much. Vaccines aren't used because we want to insult anti-vaxxers. People don't have the gall to recognise reality because they're out to insult some group who revolve their identity around falsehoods that contradict said reality. So many trans people aren't even concerned with the fact that their beliefs are objectively false but only with how oh-so-"offended" they are by other people daring to not play along even when they need to sacrifice their rights and roll them back decades just to make them feel better.