Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women?

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[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You are sexist, you make sexist assumptions about both men and women. You can't make up fake rules about not being able to be sexist against men, because sexism hems in men and women equally into their own pens. Trans people look at the pen they are not hemmed into according to their birth sex and somehow (editing the next part of this sentence to be more accurate) imagine they belong realize they would rather be in in the other pen, either to hide from being confronted with the reality of their inadequacy or to be predators of the AGP or other varieties, instead of realizing the pens are the problem. You are making shit up about mens locker rooms. You only feel safe in women's locker rooms because you have the same advantage over them that you fear, that makes you bullies. You don't want to be around people you fear but want to be around people you can physically dominate.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

I’ve already expressly said I don’t even use locker rooms. Men are monsters. Trans women as a particular thing that they hate can never be safe around them. And no you can’t be sexist against men any more than you can be racist against white people.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And no you can’t be sexist against men any more than you can be racist against white people.

Of course people can be sexist against men and racist against white people. Lots of people such as mothers, teachers & certain women are sexist against boys & men. Lots of blacks, Asians, Arabs, "brown people" as well as white people are racist against white people.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Sexism like racism has a syetemic component. You can hate men but can’t be sexist against them. You can hate white people but not be racist against them. Because it lacks the element or systemic oppression.

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The problem is not that this attitude is sexist against men, the problem is that it's sexist against women. C'mon, feminist analysis of "benevolent sexism" goes back at least a hundred years now, to Virginia Woolf's angel in the house. One of patriarchy's key tools is the insistence that men can't and mustn't be expected to control themselves, and women's job is to civilize men and take on the burden of being men's punching bags in order to prevent men from attacking each other. You aren't saying anything new here, just the same old sexist tropes that have kept people like you in control of people like me for fucking thousands of years. It's not women's job to tame Enkidu, we're not going to do it for you anymore.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

It’s not women’s job to civilize men. They should avoid them too.

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Again you are putting a burden on women and letting men be whatever they want. The doctrine that men suck is bad for women. When you say that men are evil, or monsters, or lack empathy, or whatever you are talking about, you are letting them off the hook. You are holding women to a higher standard. This is not sexist against men, it is sexist against women. It is like how men pretend they are bad at doing laundry, so that women have to do the laundry. It means men are free, and women are not.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I’m not holding women to a higher standard. Women are baseline, men are monsters. It’s not a “care for men” it’s “avoid them, they aren’t safe.

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are absolving men of all responsibility. If you assert that men can't or shouldn't be expected to control themselves, then you are giving cover to the kind of people who say, well, women shouldn't go out at night if they don't want to get raped. This is antifeminist. I shouldn't be surprised, since I don't think I've ever seen you say anything that wasn't antifeminist, I guess.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Men are monsters and noone’s safe around them. If you believe differently put your skin at risk, not ours.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Glad to see you don't just use the typical trans circular reason, but you instead use the full-on spherical reasoning. Men don't hat trans women, unless they are creeping on women and little girls. Men find trans women laughable or sad, one or the other. You are only in danger in a men's locker room if a criminal is doing something in there, same argument trans people make to women about predators in women's spaces, or if they are being an annoyance and wanting to get bet up. They guy swinging his dick around in the Wi Spa made the women go out and complain to the management-- which you confuse with empathy. If he was doing it the mens locker room it would have gone differently. You might see that as violence against a poor helpless trans woman but it would be simply getting what was asked for. There is a set of accepted behaviors in mens locker rooms and not calling attention to ones self or being annoying is something you might find difficult.

But I think we're done here, you might be circling your own void but we have been going in circles. That is not only in part because you've graduated from circular reasoning to spherical reasoning, but also we will have to agree to disagree. But, I do ask while you pretend to advocate for individual bathrooms in places like gyms please advocate for the barring of creepy AGPs putting on their ludicrous and creepy displays in women's rooms. or at least pretend to.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Men don't hat trans women, unless they are creeping on women and little girls.

This is just bit correct. Men hate trans women. Period.

getting what he asked for

Do you admit that trans women in men’s spaces are “asking to be hurt”?

I got jumped by a group of guys in a men’s room literally walking in to pee, I didn’t even talk to them. Men are monsters and being trapped with them in isolated spaces is “asking for violence” as you said. That’s why we can’t be there.

Even you know we aren’t safe there. You just blame the victim even in your hypothetical of us being attacked in a men’s space.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unless they are. Like by leering at someone. Which was my point.

to paraphrase your response about voyuerism: Only when they are. ... Which was my point.