I'm not saying they necessarily had convincing arguments, but lots of them argued in good faith.

Arguing in good faith requires a correct use of logic and rhetoric. When I say they do not argue in good faith, I mean that they do not argue in good faith. They don't make valid arguments. I'm not talking about them or anyone as conversationalists.

A kind of argument I often see them use is one I see made on ancient aliens. They present something as a problem, be it some impressive ancient structure or their claim of discomfort in the men's rooms, and then only accept one single solution, aliens built it or they then must be allowed in the women's rooms. We could go on all day about how many bad faith arguments they make. It's not about being convincing or not. It's not possible to be genuinely convincing when the premise, that men who claim to be women are women, is false and certainly no possibly proven true.

I think GC people can find common ground with transmedicalists and old-school transsexuals.

To the extent that they make arguments, let's have at it. But they are no longer the "trans" community. They are what they've always been, statistical outliers in the most extreme sense. Now they are statisical outliers in the social space they and their surgeons pioneered. I think most make the argument, but don't hold me to that, that for them surgery and presenting themselves in ways society deems feminine is somehow better for their mental health or for their emotional well being or it has some improvement on their ability to be in public and socializing. It is analogous to putting a wall outside between my window and a trash heap I don't want to acknowledge is there. The problem is in their minds, not their bodies. Much is written in the fields of psychiatry and psychology about how "the body never lies" or "the truth is in the body" but no one thinks our minds are right about anything. The "ancient aliens" point from above in this argument is that they present a problem and then present a solution that has nothing to do with the problem. The problem is some discomfort with themselves. This problem is understood and expressed in reference to the two sexes we have and their gender roles. But, no one would say the problem is well understood, much like ancient building techniques are not commonly understood and especially not understood by the people Ancient Aliens interview. The people with the problems understand them least. Sadly the history of those who choose to treat these people, sometimes mutilating children, do not understand the problems fully either. It is too tied into gendered expectations, and historically has been used to slice the gay away-- far more intrusive and no more compassionate then praying it away. At least with pray the gay away, they tend to define gay in terms of actions, not what ever "passions" (look it up, ancient Christian writers talk about any of our desires that pop up in our minds and drive us as "passions" ie they passively arrive in our minds and command our attention. It's not much different than distractions when meditating) tend to possess us. They may say "don't be gay" but the mean "don't have gay sex". This genderist shit accepts that what ever ideas we accept are somehow how we are. In that sense Clayton Bigsby is really white-- oh but no trans racial can't exist even for a blind man who literally can't see race. An emotional reaction often points to some truth, but what that truth is can be very elusive. But our ability to rationalize bad ideas all on our own is very powerful and very dangerous. Worse is when that rationalizing is crowd-sourced.

"Real" is a tricky word.

It's really not, especially in this case but even in arguments about negative numbers or imaginary numbers. Gender dysphoria is a real diagnosis. Saying that a person who has it is therefore trans is a leap away from that real diagnosis into something that is not real. If they were "born in the wrong body", then they are having an out of body experience and we have to ask whose body is it they are in, how did they come into possession of it, and where is their body (and it is always some hot and generally petite woman's body isn't it)? The idea is silly, and that it is no longer repeated as much as it used to be has more to do with the fact that making even weak arguments is not that important to team T as it used to be.

Similarly AGP is real, perhaps more real than most claims of gender dysphoria now, but that does not mean a person is "trans". To your point about transexuals, I do think I said essentially the same thing you are saying already. I do not deny they exist, I do not believe the treatment is a cure anymore than I think a pain killer can fix a broken arm.