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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 5 insightful - 8 fun5 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 8 fun -  (4 children)

You can discriminate same way against (natal) women.

Sex is protected in both housing and medical administration federally. As is age, disability, race, legitimacy, and many other categories. Gender identity is not. Only in employment do we have federal protection due to the Harris funeral home case.

That is a lie.

It absolutely is not. There was a study done that indicated an approximate loss of 10 percent performance in endurance events, putting hormone controlled trans women on par with cis women. As well as documented muscle loss through transition and a known correlation of presence of testosterone and maintenance of muscle mass. It’s absolutely baseless to claim we can compete with men. You could quibble about whether we can compete with natal women but it’s absolutely baseless to claim we are even comparable to men athletically.

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There was a study done that indicated an approximate loss of 10 percent performance in endurance events, putting hormone controlled trans women on par with cis women.

That "study" was a 2015 paper about 8 trans-identified male long distance runners who self-reported that their times in distance events had gotten slower after "transition." One of the athletes included in the "study" was the author. The intervals between the "before transition" & "after transition" times these runners self reported varied greatly - in one case it was 29 years.

That "study" has been widely debunked, & recently the author of it said its findings were "flimsy" & have not been borne out by research since.

Males on T suppression for 12 months lose 5% of their muscle mass & strength advantage. Since the male advantage in sports ranges from 12% to close to 50%, there's no way this puts T-suppressed post pubertal males on a level playing field with female athletes.

The author of that "study" has also acknowledged publicly that even after 36 months of T suppression, males who identify as trans retain most of the male advantages they have over females in sports.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Feel free to cite any of those numbers. And, yet again, I’m not arguing we should compete with natal women I am saying we can’t compete with men.

[–]divingrightintowork 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

And What? That’s it.