QT: What rights don’t trans people have?

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[–]wokuspokus[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I know more transgender people than the average Brit for sure.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

You say women's rights does that mean you meet more transwomen?

Out of that context in wider society what would you say is going on?

[–]wokuspokus[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I know lots more transwomen then transmen and they’re much louder. I honestly think the ‘raised as a man’ argument has merit, from my own experience. I also think they’ve not considered the impact on women, which relates to the socialisation argument- girls are conditioned to be kind and considerate far more than boys. Most of the transmen I know are really introverted and usually have mild Aspbergers. From the social circles of a few of my closer friends, there is some social contagion, but this seems to apply more to IDing as trans/NB and less to medical transition (or even starting hormones).

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

OK thanks.

Though I think activism tends to attract loud voices.

Do you feel pressure to identify as trans/NB or is that not something relevant to you?

[–]wokuspokus[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

That’s interesting. I am mildly autistic and a tomboy. I’ve always been a tomboy (I could hardly be less feminine if I tried XD). If I was 5-10 years younger I think I’d have been pushed into transition or thought about transition. I doubt I ever would have, as I’ve a good relationship with my parents, who are right-leaning (I’m quite left wing) and I think they’d have told me in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS I was being told a pack of lies. As it is, I’ve always been really confident in myself, so I wouldn’t dream of IDing as male or changing my body.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

But why do you think you are attracted to masculinity?

I mean I would hope the LGBQT+ community would be for masculine women.

[–]wokuspokus[S] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

I like sports, metal and beer. I just enjoy those things. To me these things aren’t inherently masculine, they’re just things. Sport is fun, I like the way metal sounds and beer tastes nice. Doesn’t make me a bloke. I don’t agree with the ways society focuses on women’s appearance just because they were born female. Doesn’t make me a dude. I also like flowers. That doesn’t make me a woman. In short, I believe stereotypes are bulls—t and that I am a woman because I was born with the body type due to which my female ancestors were denied the vote and most other rights, and my sisters in other countries still have reduced rights. Sex selective abortion, menstrual huts and rape don’t happen because of stereotypes and you can’t ID out of oppression.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

Isn't masculinity a stereotype no matter who's doing it?

Do you see any reason for femininity?

[–]wokuspokus[S] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

They’re both rooted in female oppression historically. The reason most sports and most high status jobs are ‘masculine’ and home, beauty and lower status jobs are feminine is rooted in women not being allowed to do sport and being home makers (because we weren’t allowed an education or could be fired for being pregnant so no good jobs either).

They are stereotypes no matter who does it. The only way to break those stereotypes is to be comfortable doing what you like, regardless of whether it’s ‘womanly’.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

But in an ideal world would there be feminine women?

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why don't you try answering OP's questions for once? Why aren't you making your own threads intead of going off-topic to talk about feminity and masculinity as you were told?