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[–]FlanJam 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Undoing self-id would be huge, if gender ideologues actually walked back on that, it'd give me hope we could get along. Acknowledge the cotton ceiling issue, give a voice to detrans people, stop denying sex exists, acknowledge the importance of sex especially for women... if everyone could agree on those things, that's be amazing.

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Scaling back self-ID policies and laws seems like something that could plausibly happen, as well as the severe language-policing. The whole mess seems to just continue to shine a light on the reality of biological sex, even if lots of people are being turned on to the idea that it isn't real or doesn't matter. I had to look up cotton ceiling again and this passage on a page from the top Google search result still has me giggling:

Unfortunately, trans exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs) have attempted to use "cotton ceiling" to smear trans women.[6][7] Apart from abuse, and typical TERF tactics, they have also managed to almost completely take over the Google search results for the query, filling it with misinformation and extreme transmisogyny.[8]

I'm glad that's not getting much sympathy though, I hope most people don't take this seriously. Things like that seem like that would peak a lot of people. You brought up some really good points and requests, thank you!

[–]FlanJam 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem! I think the framing of the whole thing is terrible, because the gender-ideology side have made it seem like they represent trans activism but I dunno if they do. It might seem that way when you see all the eccentric people on twitter and youtube saying crazy stuff, but when I talk to real trans people they don't agree with any of the crazy stuff either. I wonder if you polled trans people, how many are actually on board with gender ideology.

The whole mess seems to just continue to shine a light on the reality of biological sex,

Its kinda hilarious in a way, its like people are rediscovering the importance of sex all over again. I saw some apolitical people on the female weight lifting reddit discussing that trans weightlifter in the olympics. They were saying its kinda unfair for natal women, and that we should have "amab and afab" divisions... and I'm thinking hello? we already have that its called male and female sports lol. Its wild how we have to reinvent the wheel.

I had to look up cotton ceiling again

Haha, totally not a biased article at all lol. In all seriousness tho, its so hard to talk about cotton ceiling because everyone exaggerates so much. Either it doesn't exist at all or trans people are going around forcing people to have sex with them. But in reality I think its a more nuanced discussion about social pressure, having boundaries, when a trans person should disclose, etc. Its an important discussion to have but no one wants to have it because its become so politicized.

Sorry for ranting but I wanted to get if off my chest lol.