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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

After what happened, it seems to me that any concession I would make in order to be "friendly or civil" with trans people would be used against me. That is definitely what happened with pronouns, names, labels and spaces, and I am frankly tired of working for their sake when everything I would get in return wouldn' t be in any way beneficial or pleasant for ME.

I am never going to "respect what someone wants to be called or referred to as" if it goes against reality or if doing it validates beliefs and feelings I do not share, especially if they bring way more problems than they solve. And given that doing that is what brought us here, there' s no way I am going to fall for that again just to be screwed over again in the future.

I don' t want to be friends again and I don' t want a "better relationship", I want for us to be left alone.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What you say is very fair and understandable. I can't really argue your sentiment. Do you think there is anything that would change your feelings?

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It' s very hard to regain someone' s trust after you shredded it to pieces. It' s not impossible, but I cannot imagine a way in which it could be done. Considering the past few years, I would see any change in the trans community as something that is done either to keep us calm for a while so that they can strike the final blow or as something that they are forcing themselves to do in order to save themselves from a backlash. Not because they think it' s right, not because they actually believe it and not because they give a damn about anyone besides themselves.

I am tired of feeling like an idiot for trusting people and then be treated as if they were telling me "I can' t believe you braindead idiot fell for it again!" when they inevitably do it once more. Better safe than sorry.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, that's a lot of broken trust and I understand not trusting. This is going to sound very dumb, but I was watching this documentary that showed how this orca would ride a wave up to the shore with its mouth open to snatch up seals, and I kind of feel like that horrible feeling the seal must feel right before it's eaten is how a lot of people, especially women, must feel and felt in reaction to being chewed up by the current trans rights movement in one or more ways.

You have to protect yourself and be safe, so you need to do whatever it is you need to do that.

[–]ausernamee 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The trust wasn't just broken by the demands, but also by the fact that lying and gaslighting was used as a main way of getting people on their side.