Both: What do you think about the transgender incident at the Wi Spa in Los Angeles?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Im not even going to waste my time on someone who thinks a nine year old girl who is uncomfortable with a grown ass man getting naked around her is bigoted.

You’ve already said it’s okay for TW to rape people, so I’m not that surprised. I guess I was just hoping you weren’t also cool with children being sexually harassed.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (21 children)

I don’t think that, I think that cis 9 year olds who are uncomfortable around trans women are bigots. Also I never said that raping people is okay, thats just your transphobia coloring your view and making you think that trans people must always disclose their trans status to their potential sexual partners, a standard you don’t hold for comparable group identities as thus evidence of your bigotry. QED

[–]BiologyIsReal 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Don't you have any other argument besides calling anyone a bigot?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Yes as Ive shown before

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

You did say that it was okay to rape by deception. Don’t run from it, own your truth. It doesn’t make sense to pretend it isn’t what you said like I can’t go back and find the thread. It’s not up to you to give others free range to sexually violate others. Trans people aren’t owed sex. If they don’t disclose, it’s because they value their desire to get fucked over the right of someone else to give consent. It is disgusting to support that.

You’re a rape apologist and apparently supportive of children being made to feel uncomfortable around inappropriate grown men in spaces meant to offer them a sense of safety and comfort.

Don’t respond to me. I don’t feel comfortable interacting with you.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

The fact that you believe that trans people have to disclose their trans status to potential sexual partners, but that say jewish people don’t have to on the off chance that a potential sexual partner is an antisemite is evidence of your prejudice against trans people. I mean should white passing black women in the 30s and 40s have had to disclose their racial status to potential white lovers given that many white people at time wouldn’t knowingly have sex with a black person? Would it have been rape by deception if they didn’t?

Double standards = Prejudice

I’m sure the segregationists made the same argument about black women using “whites only” spaces. “Think of the children” is an old tool in the bigots handbook

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

All I hear is rape apologia

Asked you not to respond to me, rape apologist

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

Did the white passing black women of the 30s and 40s commit “rape by deception” as well?

See? Double standard.

And let you have the last word? Not a chance. If you don’t want a discussion then just don’t reply to my comments

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Were the white passing black women really white passing black men pretending to be women thus changing the entire nature of the sex they were having with these white men?

No. They weren’t. They were females. With vaginas. Not tucked or reconstructed dicks. Sex is not the same as race.

TW are males. If they don’t disclose this fact they rob any potential partner of the ability to consent to fucking a male. That is rape. You can defend it all you want, but it makes you a rape apologist. At the very least, it makes you an advocate for disregarding people’s sexual boundaries. It’s gross.

Eta- Even if you think it’s okay for a person to lie about/conceal their race or religion etc, that is just not comparable to lying about your sex. People may not even care about someone being trans but they just don’t want to interact with trans genitalia. That’s how I felt, when I was more of an ally. The idea of a neovagina (even a convincing one) and what it actually is is and was sexually repulsive to me. Even when I was shouting TWAW. You don’t get to decide for other people. It is not okay to lie or conceal anything for sex. Nobody is owed sex. Period.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

So then you don’t care about the feelings of the racists who were sleeping with white passing black women? Rape Apologist! Stop defending “rape by deception” Sloane.

Obvious double standard is obvious.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also- can you link this phenomenon of black women desperate to sleep with white racist men? So desperate that they’d pretend to be white?

Im sure it totally happened, but you mention black people or Jewish people doing this so often that I’m wondering if there’s some cultural reference you could provide? Otherwise it just kind of sounds like you’re offering an example that never really happens just for argument’s sake, which- I don’t know that it’s fair to compare some made up hypothetical to something that really happens

Eta- also wtf I said it was wrong?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I already addressed that. There is no defense offered. Lying or concealing something to get laid is wrong. It’s particularly wrong when you lie about your sex, but either way it’s wrong

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

Wow, okay then you’re taking the side of ancient racists who thought that white passing black women have to disclose their racial experiences to all potential sexual partners? Thats fucked up