Both: What do you think about the transgender incident at the Wi Spa in Los Angeles?

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[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 11 fun1 insightful - 10 fun2 insightful - 11 fun -  (53 children)

The spa was in the right if the person in question was a woman. Bigotry has no place in the running of a business

Edit: took the story the wrong way

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The person in question was not a woman since they flashed a big ol’ penis and testicles.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 11 fun1 insightful - 10 fun2 insightful - 11 fun -  (12 children)

How quaint that you think that matters

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

How typical that you can’t argue against this fact.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 12 fun1 insightful - 11 fun2 insightful - 12 fun -  (10 children)

Because it doesn’t matter? Sex is a spectrum and “woman” is an identity.

[–]BiologyIsReal 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

But if women are just a social construct, then there is no reason for anyone to take that nude dude's claims of being a woman seriously. If one can't define what a woman is, then no one can claim to be a woman either.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Since women don’t exist, transwomen can’t exist. So transwomen cannot possibly need rights or hormones or surgeries. Can’t get facial feminisation when there’s no such thing as a female. So I can call all transwomen men to their faces and it’s not rude or offensive because man isn’t a category or thing.

Redacted because mods aren’t allowed to endorse common sense without qt revolting.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Can’t get facial feminisation when there’s no such thing as a female

This this this this this so much fucking this

One of the biggest reasons I haven’t given up on addressing the sex matrix thing is because I’m dying for Heim to address this contradiction lol

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Lmao heim addressing any of the flaws pointed out in ~their~ folio of bullshit is as likely as it raining chocolate sauce.

This is someone who one day says ‘I am a woman’ and the next says ‘women don’t exist’ and then sits back acting like we’re the stupid ones.

Even now heim will ignore the points and simply piss and moan about use of the word stupid and report is as ableism. I’m sick of heim getting away with being a bullshit artist and us getting told to stop calling him a man.

[–]shveya 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It makes me wonder if those who share "their" opinions even view women as human.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

According to you. Unless you’re suggesting we should all take your opinions as facts. I’m certain that’s what you really want, right?

Anyway, spectrums and identities dont exist. Your identity is just a construct, not what you are Nominalism!

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I suggest you give more elaborated answers rather than just saying something is bigotry or certain people are bigots as that was the end of the discussion.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

The question was what do you think, and I answered.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, you did. And I'm saying it would be great if you gave more elaborated answers because it's hard to discuss with someone who mainly give one-sentence answers, half of which are acussations of some kind of bigotry.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

The spa was absolutely in the wrong. But not for the reasons you’re stating. Also this makes no sense coming from qt because the spa took the side of the invasive man and not the uncomfortable women and girls, so from your perspective, what did the spa do that was bigoted/wrong?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Totally misunderstands the situation Stands by calling women bigots cause they thought they disagreed.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Imagine thinking the women are wrong and not the naked dude in the pool with a little girl. Yeah it’s the females, not the male who made them all feel uncomfortable.

I can’t believe people really think this way

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That little girl is a monster for not wanting a cock a foot away from her face. Girls should be grateful for the chance to see some lovely soft feminine testicles. She’s being educated out of her bigotry by being exposed to naked men.

What kind of mother doesn’t want her child to see the genitals of random men? It’s good for them that’s why as a society were so enamoured with pedophiles and the many opportunities they present for children’s education.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (25 children)

I mistook the situation

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

So if the 14 year old girl who was there felt uncomfortable would she also be a bigot?

What about the 9 year old?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (23 children)

Yes to both. Children can be bigoted

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Im not even going to waste my time on someone who thinks a nine year old girl who is uncomfortable with a grown ass man getting naked around her is bigoted.

You’ve already said it’s okay for TW to rape people, so I’m not that surprised. I guess I was just hoping you weren’t also cool with children being sexually harassed.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (21 children)

I don’t think that, I think that cis 9 year olds who are uncomfortable around trans women are bigots. Also I never said that raping people is okay, thats just your transphobia coloring your view and making you think that trans people must always disclose their trans status to their potential sexual partners, a standard you don’t hold for comparable group identities as thus evidence of your bigotry. QED

[–]BiologyIsReal 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Don't you have any other argument besides calling anyone a bigot?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Yes as Ive shown before

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

You did say that it was okay to rape by deception. Don’t run from it, own your truth. It doesn’t make sense to pretend it isn’t what you said like I can’t go back and find the thread. It’s not up to you to give others free range to sexually violate others. Trans people aren’t owed sex. If they don’t disclose, it’s because they value their desire to get fucked over the right of someone else to give consent. It is disgusting to support that.

You’re a rape apologist and apparently supportive of children being made to feel uncomfortable around inappropriate grown men in spaces meant to offer them a sense of safety and comfort.

Don’t respond to me. I don’t feel comfortable interacting with you.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

The fact that you believe that trans people have to disclose their trans status to potential sexual partners, but that say jewish people don’t have to on the off chance that a potential sexual partner is an antisemite is evidence of your prejudice against trans people. I mean should white passing black women in the 30s and 40s have had to disclose their racial status to potential white lovers given that many white people at time wouldn’t knowingly have sex with a black person? Would it have been rape by deception if they didn’t?

Double standards = Prejudice

I’m sure the segregationists made the same argument about black women using “whites only” spaces. “Think of the children” is an old tool in the bigots handbook

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

All I hear is rape apologia

Asked you not to respond to me, rape apologist

[–]kwallio 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What did that spa do that was wrong? They complied with the law. According to CA law, it was the woman who was complaining that was in the wrong.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

Correct. I mistook the situation

[–]kwallio 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you admit you misunderstood what happened and just leapt to calling people bigots based on your misunderstanding and zero proof?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

No I called them bigots because if the spa had taken the side of the transphobic cis woman then they would have been bigots

[–]kwallio 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hahahah you are really funny.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I know my husband tells me that all the time