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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Side note- as I said, I’ve been to that spa. the few times I went there were several underage girls and women of all ages there. Pretty much every space but the toilets and individual massage tables is shared in fairly open space, even the showers- which are REQUIRED. Granted they could have rearranged things since I was there, but from what I recall, there’d have not really been anywhere that man could have discreetly gone about his business without making anyone uncomfortable (were he so inclined) or for a woman/girl to go for some privacy if she was uncomfortable. I went with a friend who didn’t realize we’d have to be nude and shower and she was really nervous and actually cried when she realized there wasn’t anywhere for her to hide (she ended up relaxing and feeling comfortable and later said she was glad she experienced it, she was glad to see all of those women there just comfortable and not self conscious- an experience that’s been denied the women in the video and according to them, quite a few other women who were too afraid to speak up).

The problems with this law are all on display. And it’s not gonna matter.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ugh, that sounds kind of awful, I really feel for your friend. That's a really vulnerable situation and place to be in, like that requires so much trust between parties so being there, vulnerable, and suddenly there's a male right there and you can't escape would be so horrifying and traumatizing.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was a positive experience for her, she was feeling self conscious but ended up appreciating the experience because it made her feel more comfortable. This was like 10 years ago so there were only women and girls there with us. I imagine we would have just left if we encountered a male in the spaces. Even I would have been uncomfortable.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's actually really cool and admirable if your friend felt better for the experience, it sounds uncomfortable even in a safe and calm environment, so much respect to her.