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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’a so daft it’s like they are making superhuman efforts to make everyone else look as silly as they deep down suspect their gender theories are.

[–]FlanJam 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"academic twitter" well there's the problem. A lot of QT seem to be enthralled by highly abstract and esoteric philosophy and gender studies. Problem is they take these things uncritically and end up parroting a bunch of weird ideas with no coherency. Not to mention its kinda pretentious.

[–]NeedMoreCoffeeGC 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol.

I think it's the opposite, and more projection from the gender side. Being trans or nonbinay is a trauma response to mental illness or traumatic event. Chopping off healthy body parts or taking hormones es an extreme and invasive trauma response to deal with it like cutting or starving yourself. You are not going to even think of doing this if you feel just fine and your life is fine.

Most people, not just straight, express themselves just fine. Most people are fine with being themselves and don't have this bollocks of "gender identity" to deal with. Just because a lot of people don't have green hair or dress like a child that went through trunks of clothes in grandmas attic or don't want to fuck people pretending to be another sex does not mean they don't have self expression or that they are traumatised.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The person in that video makes a good point, but there is a difference between actually being something and pretending to be or trying to be something. I don't believe just being straight or not being trans are likely trauma responses. Attempting to fit in, however, due to traumatic experiences as the result of homophobia or things like that, seems like a much more likely 'trauma response'.

[–]worried19 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I get what this person is trying to say. I think labeling yourself as "trans" is a trauma response to the harshness and rigidity of gender roles. Gendered socialization is harmful and traumatic to many people, especially children who do not fit into rigid boxes. But no one is "cis." There are people who recognize that gender is bullshit, and people who think that gendered socialization means that non-trans people agree or feel affinity with their natal sex stereotypes.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

🙄I would just ignore people on TikTok personally. I’m sure they’ll look back in 5 years and wish they hadn’t made that video. I don’t feel like it’s worth engaging with.

[–]Penultimate_Penance 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The big problem with cis is the assumption that everyone has a gender identity. There are many people myself included that do not have an innate sense of gender. Gender is something separate from me that is imposed on me by society. It is external not internal.

I agree with her that it doesn't make sense for the vast majority of people to live on the extreme end of the masculine or feminine spectrum in their culture, most of us fall in between those two extremes, but the in between is not transness or nonbinary it's just your personality. Pressure to conform to sex stereotypes definitely exists, but it is not necessarily trauma when people conform. Much of the time it is a matter of habit and convenience. In homophobic societies homosexual people who attempt to engage in heterosexual relationships may very well have some trauma involved. (This also includes homophobic subcultures where gay men and lesbian women are pressured to overcome their "genital preference" to be open to dating someone of the opposite sex.) Heterosexual people will not have trauma involved at all, because going with the cultural flow is well, easy.

[–]worried19 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Heterosexual people will not have trauma involved at all, because going with the cultural flow is well, easy.

A lot of the cultural flow is harmful, though. See sexist dating rituals and relationship standards. Even straight people can have trauma trying to conform to what society says they should do.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I say doesn' t make sense.

She should have stopped there.

People like this think that everything can be changed except being trans (and I question their claim that sexual orientation cannot be changed considering that for many of them, all it takes to "change" sexuality is a person wearing a dress and make-up).

Let' s think about this for a second: let' s assume that transness and "cisness" are indeed defined by gender identity. Then it means that they are indeed on a spectrum that includes both. But for some reasons, "cis" is meaningless and derived by social constructs and trauma while everything else is valid and innate? Where does the distinction come from? Are trans people completely immune to social conditioning (🤣🤣🤣)?

Long story short, if one of those identification is bullshit, so is the other... which is, ironically, what us TERFs have been saying since the beginning.

[–]grixitperson 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ridiculous.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you agree with this claim?

No -- it's far too broad. (Conforming to "cis" or straight norms can certainly be a self-protective retreat for individuals, case by case.)

"Academic Twitter" gets a lol.