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[–]Fleurista💐 Transsexual 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I'm going to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. This seems like a really awful idea, albeit born from good intentions (we hope). In the past I probably would have thought it was a wonderful display of inclusivity and true equality, but now I cringe. These poor girls don't deserve this. On one hand, it blows my mind that anyone could feel so entitled and bully others like this, but on the other it's not surprising seeing men use force and make a big stink to get what they want, especially if it means they can access female spaces and bodies.

[–]worried19[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The frustrating thing is that it doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to be one side against the other. In a better world, people would be able to talk about these issues and agree on compromises. It really upsets me that there is no moderation, no compromise, no debate, no discussion.

[–]Penultimate_Penance 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I totally agree. There are a lot of compromises that would make trans identified people's lives a lot easier without impinging on women's rights, but they're refusing to take the middle ground. I'd be on their side if they weren't determined to step on women.

[–]worried19[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, that's how they lost my support. They're pushing away people who would otherwise be on their side. And for what? I don't think this is a winning strategy, not at all.

[–]PhilosopherTentaclesis presently on sabbatical -- leave all messages with the Dean. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's where my thinking is. I've been tracking how this drama has helped erode LGB support. Hostility flares up, spitefulness gets entrenched on both sides, and tolerance goes down. Nobody wins.

[–]Fleurista💐 Transsexual 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm sure watching this all devolve has been like watching a particularly sad car crash.

My gay childhood boy friends were very supportive of me when I transitioned; my former bosses were a lesbian couple who knew me from before and are the sweetest, caring, most protective people; and my BFF (who knows my history) is bi and she's like a sister to me, so I didn't realize that those community relations soured overall until really exploring online at the beginning of this year.

There are so many people in my life who are LGB, and those closest have always been nothing but supportive of me and of trans people in general. The thought of someone trying to shame or bully a loved one into sleeping with them is angering, trans or not. And to see these people who have always been supportive suddenly be referred to as hateful and transphobic for not wanting to sleep with trans people is so beyond irritating. It's hard to be upset with anyone who is totally put off by trans people because of things like that.

[–]worried19[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is one of those things where I feel bad that now I look at the trans community with suspicion. Of course there are still plenty of moderate trans people who are just living their lives normally doing the best they can. But then there are also these activists, who all seem extremely unpleasant. I've never seen or heard of a friendly TRA. Honestly, I don't get how we got from 2015 to 2021. Things changed so dramatically in such a short span of time. I guess I peaked in early 2017. It was impossible not to notice how much crazier everything was getting.

I'm glad you have friendly and supportive people in your own life. It's my hope that people understand that the trans community is made up of individuals with varying beliefs. I appreciate that there are trans people in the public eye speaking out. Even if they get cancelled or attacked, they're still trying. Much respect to Buck Angel and Scott Newgent and others who are trying their best. And to you, too. I think your YouTube channel is helpful. Every little bit helps to show that trans people are not a monolith.

[–]PhilosopherTentaclesis presently on sabbatical -- leave all messages with the Dean. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's an unholy mess, and I think the damage is going to affect everyone to some degree, GD patients and conscientious trans people included -- because of ideological extremists and the controls they were blithely handed (social media).

[–]worried19[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Seriously. I'm a moderate. I've always been a moderate. I would love to be able to find compromises. But trans rights activists are so extreme, they label even people who are friendly and eager to seek compromises as the enemy. They're turning people who used to be allies against them. It really sucks. Apparently I'm evil because I don't think children should transition and biological males don't belong in women's sports or prisons.

This was common sense only a few years ago, but TRAs just keep pushing and pushing and pushing. Eventually they're going to push too far, and the whole community is going to face backlash, including the moderate trans people who had nothing to do with this activism. And don't forget lesbians, gays, and bisexuals, who also got dragged along without any input from them.

[–]PhilosopherTentaclesis presently on sabbatical -- leave all messages with the Dean. 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Somehow, somewhere, activists began to think that progressivism can do no wrong. Naïveté? Shelteredness? Ignorance of history?

And here we are.

[–]Fleurista💐 Transsexual 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It really doesn't! There was a time when it wasn't, so it seems hopeful that that's something we can go back to, or maybe a better version of that.

I was going to ask you something here, but instead I'm going to ask it in a post--thanks for the inspiration!

[–]worried19[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I look forward to your post!