QT: How is not creepy/predatory for people with male bodies aka men to demand access to women's single sex spaces where women are going to naked like locker rooms?

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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 3 insightful - 9 fun3 insightful - 8 fun4 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't intend to reply tbh so I'll kepp it brief. Linking a GC blog that does not adress my singular point [trans men are an even easier front for predators than trans women]] so I doubt you mind I simply ignore it. No objection? Great.

I did not ask females to give males the benefit of the doubt. So I'm gonna ignore that as well. Much obliged. I'll stop being snarky. I tend to respond to comments one paragraph at a time since I'm on mobile. I read through the rest of your comment and noticed that you don't engage with my point. But I'll adress the last paragraph you wrote.

Transmen still have a lower rate of violence especially sexual violence than transwomen, because they are female.

I did not make any assumption to the contrary.

Many transmen do not pass at all, in fact I recommend that most of them continue to use female only spaces for their own safety. Their female socialization often gives the game away even if they do pass.

And now you proceed with the toupee fallacy. Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're exceptionally great at spotting trans men. You're not most of the population in this case and your run of the mill predator would still have greater chance passing as a trans man than as a trans woman.

It's not fair or right to force men to share their single sex changing rooms with female bodied people

I agree in a kinda reverse sexism way, but I don't remember bringing that up. Sooo... Yeaaahhh...

[–]Penultimate_Penance[S] 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Trans men are not an easier front for predators, nor do they pose the same risk to women as transwomen. Thanks to self ID there are lot of transwomen that are unambiguously male, because they are male.

You are ignoring my point that it is predatory and creepy to violate women's consent when a male bodied person enters single sex spaces reserved for people female bodies.

Edit: Also if we don't allow trans people to change their driver's licenses and birth certificates we have an easy non intrusive way to verify who is actually male or female when needed if someone's actual sex is ambiguous thanks to body modification. Body modification is a choice. People who choose to modify their body should accept the consequences of that choice and not destroy the rights of other people to consent, safety, privacy and dignity.