QT: If all these "third genders" around the world, throughout history, in all these different cultures are transgender, then where are all the gay people?

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[–]SnowAssMan[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That Wiki-link is just a list of famous LGB individuals 99.9% of whom are all from the 20th century Western world. How does that address my question, when my question was about people outside the modern-day West?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 8 fun -  (5 children)

Antinous - Bithynian Greek youth and a favourite beloved of the Roman emperor Hadrian

Pietro Aretino - Italian author, playwright, poet, satirist and blackmailer, who wielded influence on contemporary art and politics

Louise Abbéma - French painter, sculptor, and designer of the Belle Époque

Emperor Ai of Han

Lord Byron - English poet and politician

Jacopo Bonfadio - Italian humanist and historian

Rosa Bonheur - French painted and sculptor

Francesco Calcagno - Franciscan friar famously executed for blasphemy and sodomy by the Venetian Inquisition

Mervyn Tuchet, 2nd Earl of Castlehaven - English nobleman convicted of rape and sodomy and subsequently executed

Petru Cercel - Voivode (Prince) of Wallachia from 1583 to 1585, son to ruler Pătrașcu cel Bun

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Um..mervyn was not homosexual or gnc that we know of. He was just a rapist. Why do you think this guy who raped his wife and servants is homosexual or gnc?

Petru wore jewelry. Why is he listed here? That’s not gay or gnc. especially for a prince of Wallachia.

Antinous was only associated with homosexuality, and not until Oscar Wilde wrote about him. Literally zero connection to any sort of third gender or transgenderism.

Rosa was a lesbian who wore men’s clothes for practicality. What’s third gender or trans about that? Again just a regular gnc and homosexual person. Proving the opposite of what you claim here.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That Wiki-link is just a list of famous LGB individuals 99.9% of whom are all from the 20th century Western world, while the 0.1% are still from the Western world. How does that address my question, when my question was about people outside the modern-day West?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously, where are all these supposed historic trans two spirit people? The trans muxes and bakla?

These social assignations should be teeming with people who exactly match the transgender rhetoric now and all throughout history. There should be handfuls of examples gb can give if her claim is factual.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Not all are from the west. If you read through the list you will find people before the 20th century and who aren't from the west. I even provided an example of Emperor Ai of Han, Or do you think homosexuality is a modern, western invention like you do with transgenderism?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, you listed a single non-Western non-20th century gay person... how does that address my question though? Did this individual exist in a culture that recognised a "third gender"?

For instance, if the "two spirit" people within Native American nations are not gay but trans, then where are the gay people within those nations?