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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

GCs say they are not a hive mind but when there is a post for example like this where a trans man is stalking someone most of them jump in to say trans men should not have access to T.

The last time I was catching up with Ovarit there were 5K +/- members. More than 2500 at a time are jumping into a given thread to comment as you describe? Highly doubtful. There's been a fair range of opinion there since its launch. Maybe what you're describing is a routine response to topics by a core group of commenters interested in that topic.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (15 children)

Perhaps yes. Though there aren't many users commenting a contrary opinion.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Pretty much the entire web is a forum for the contrary opinion. Ovarit is one of the very few places women can openly voice their criticism. This is one of the scenarios that comes out of the denial and punishment of free speech.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

Ovarit is one of the very few places women can openly voice their criticism.

I think a more appropriate phrasing would be gender critical people. Gender critical men also get kicked off of internet sites like Reddit and many women (like myself) are supportive of the trans community.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Statistically GC men represent a very small proportion of online participants in forums like Ovarit, and they rarely seem to receive the same intensity of hatred on social media for expressing GC opinions. I think we can safely say "women" here.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

Than say GC women. Trans-supportive women aren't being kicked off of websites, or women who hold opinions that have nothing to do with transgenderism. I'm on Reddit and share my opinions all the time, and I wasn't kicked off.

[–]Juniperius 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The point here is that "GC women" and "trans-supportive women" aren't two different types of beings. They're just women, with different words coming from their mouths or keyboards. When women express the male-approved set of ideas, they are tolerated or praised; when they express the other set of ideas, they are banned, get death threats, etc. All women are having their speech policed, but only some of them notice it, because only some of them try to pull against the leash.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

I am openly a cis woman on Reddit. I moderate a few subs and at times stated controversial opinions. One that stands out is r/protectandserve where I thought racial profiling was a bigger problem than they want to admit. There were a few times I was downvoted heavily for my opinions, like 50 downvotes, but never once was I kicked off of Reddit for my opinions or even banned from any sub for that matter. By the way, women are more likely to support the trans community than men.

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, this is an excellent example of what I'm talking about. Your opinions about state violence and racism don't threaten male domination of women, their ability to extract emotional or sexual or domestic labor from us, so they will allow you to take either side of that debate. That's not pulling against the leash. Opinions about the relationship between men and women, on the other hand, if women are allowed to talk freely about them, may threaten male domination. So every aspect of that conversation is going to have arguments that men like and will allow and will pat their pet fun feminists on the head for, and arguments that men will do their best to suppress.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

If there was a sub on Reddit that stated women shouldn't be allowed to vote or women should only be homemakers, it would be banned too.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

. . . which is still a pretty compelling example of suppressed/permitted speech.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, but it's GC women who are being kicked off of websites, not just women.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. That's what suppressed speech is.