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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

Substance abuse is the abuse if a substance. Like using excess testosterone for cosmetic effects.

Taking prescribed doses of T for the purpose of transitioning is not "substance abuse".

Adults shouldn’t decide because adults are stupid, selfish, and don’t know shit about their own endocrine systems.

Again, T requires a prescription. Many trans men take T without experiencing significant health problems and are the majority are happy with the results. A few people detransition, which is why adults should think and decide if they really want this or not.

Look at the stats. We dont claim transwomen retain male criminality, we know it from statistics.

But if they are doing HRT they would have low testosterone. Which proves testosterone did not cause this man's violence.

You are as usual taking a comment and instead of accepting it’s talked about as a possible contributing factor, you’re acting like everyone on ovarit insists a drop of testosterone will turn any female into a raging monster.

But I think it's silly they decided T was a contributing factor. There are cis women who commit violent acts, as well as cis men. Why did this case stand out?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Taking prescribed doses of T for the purpose of transitioning is not "substance abuse"

lol whatever. Semantics.

Again, T requires a prescription. Many trans men take T without experiencing significant health problems and are the majority are happy with the results. A few people detransition, which is why adults should think and decide if they really want this or not.

What? A prescription is not the same as comprehension. A prescription is not the same thing as necessary to live. I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. Your reasoning makes zero sense.

But if they are doing HRT they would have low testosterone. Which proves testosterone did not cause this man's violence.

That’s..not how any of that works. Do you genuinely believe this? If so, you need more correction than I am qualified to provide.

But I think it's silly they decided T was a contributing factor. There are cis women who commit violent acts, as well as cis men. Why did this case stand out?

Mate I think everything you’ve said is silly. Thinking something is silly is not meaningful or a criticism. You thinking it is silly does not invalidate their questions or make the questions these women ask foolish. It does not make women factually as violent as men. Ask them. Stop treating gc like a hive mind and expecting us to answer for others.

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Is your argument that any prescription written where "not necessary to live" is malpractice?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nope. I’m saying hormones for transition are available too easily and should not be used without far stricter guidelines and wait times. I’m saying suicidal threats are not a good reason to give someone cosmetic treatments. Suicidal people belong on 1:1 watch in a psychiatric hospital setting until they are of sound mind.

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Thanks for clarifying.

[–]emptiedriver 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Taking prescribed doses of T for the purpose of transitioning is not "substance abuse".

If getting prescriptions is easy, you can abuse prescribed meds. It's a common issue. Hormones have been prescribed incredibly easily.

Again, T requires a prescription.

Again, look at opiates, valium or xanax, or various kinds of methamphetamines.

But if they are doing HRT they would have low testosterone. Which proves testosterone did not cause this man's violence.

Males get regular testosterone every day for their entire lives. They don't get sudden injections once a month, but their bodies have been built out of it since they were little boys, and even more so after they hit puberty. Even most men who have replaced T with estrogen still have higher testosterone than women just due to what their body naturally produces, but even if they didn't they have the lasting effects of what was already made.

There are cis women who commit violent acts, as well as cis men. Why did this case stand out?

I don't think people are saying this case stands out against some other case of a non-medicated woman attacking a woman, but just that in this case, a woman who is being violent should not be prescribed testosterone. This is a bad treatment plan. I would not think someone would encourage an abusive "cis man" to take steroids either. Rage and violence are well known potential side effects so if they seem to be manifesting, the prescription should be reconsidered even if your position is that the drug can be beneficial.