Both: What do you think causes people to develop sexual paraphilias?

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[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Ha, I can't tell with mine.

On your right hand if you stretch out your flat hand, which finger is longer?

Your index finger or your 4th, ginger, the ring finger?

I should say I'm not sure what to think of the idea.

If the evidence is good I would have to believe it.

It need only be a trend rather than one to one to be real.

They look like a heterosexual digit ratio? I'm right handed.

Isn't that heterosexuality among men?

But I'm also more physically masculine than a lot of women, which would lead me to believe I had an atypical prenatal environment. So maybe it's not foolproof. What's your hand ratio?

My right index finger is longer than my ring finger.

It's not universal, though. Autogynephilia does not appear to be found in all cultures.

Well I'm not a Blanchardian. Though it is very essentialist.

Perhaps a starting point is, are there straight crossdressers in all cultures? My guess is yes there are. But outside Western culture sexuality and gender are handled differently. But I still think crossdressers are linking into universal sexual frameworks.

Lots of non Western cultures are very traditional and very locked into a traditional gender roles. But also crossdressers are actually rare. It isn't common by percentage.

But what about women? Are women with higher sex drives likely to have more paraphilias? I have zero, but my libido is through the roof.

ha though isn't a high libido considered a perversion for a woman?

Though I do like the question. "Are women with higher libidos more perverse?" I'd like to know the scientific answer.

Also, what's up with all these "asexual" kinksters who go around committing BDSM acts while also claiming to have no sexual drive or sexual attraction?

Not sure. I think it's real. Although I would think sexuality and behaviour are linked, I think behaviour that is considered sexual might also serve non sexual purposes, like identity, so I think identity can be sexual. For instance people finding cultural forms attractive. So people feel attached to a cultural form even if it is not not sexual.

I also think some things are innately lend themselves to sexualization more than others because they are aesthetically or tactically pleasing. In that sense they can be pleasing without being sexual.

I also think some bdsm activities probably cause endorphin peaks. That might not be directly sexual.

[–]worried19[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

On your right hand if you stretch out your flat hand, which finger is longer? Your index finger or your 4th, ginger, the ring finger?

I literally can't tell. They're very close. If I put my right palm on the table, my ring finger seems longer. But if I put my palm to my face, my index finger seems longer. There's not a pronounced difference. And I can't tell any difference at all on my left hand. I believe not having a large difference is supposed to indicate heterosexuality in women.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45887691

My right index finger is longer than my ring finger.

That indicates less exposure to testosterone in the womb. But there are some people claiming this only predicts sexual orientation in women, while others say it can also predict orientation in men, as well as a host of other things too:

https://www.livescience.com/49883-finger-length-in-men.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161012095619.htm

I mean, who knows for sure? But there appears to be at least some biological stuff going on with regard to the prenatal environment. Although it's obviously not 100% either way. I always felt like nature intended for me to be a lesbian, but wires got crossed somewhere. But my digit ratio doesn't really support that.

Perhaps a starting point is, are there straight crossdressers in all cultures?

There don't appear to be. u/SnowAssMan may be more familiar with Blanchard's research on this topic.

ha though isn't a high libido considered a perversion for a woman?

Women used to be considered the more libidinous sex. Now society has flipped and decided it's men. But I don't believe high-libido women are considered perverted anymore. I don't see anyone shaming women who like to have sex multiple times a day. Hell, men are probably singing our praises. All women are now supposed to up for anything, even if it's not in our nature.

Though I do like the question. "Are women with higher libidos more perverse?" I'd like to know the scientific answer.

I'm curious as well. I would guess that higher libidos lead to more sexual experimentation, and more experimentation leads to perversity.

Not sure. I think it's real.

Eh, I think they're not true asexuals. I think they're primarily fetishists whose sexual pleasure comes from acting out their fetish. But that's different from having no sexual drive or sexual desires at all. I think maybe they label something as non-sexual when for them it is intensely sexual.

I also think some things are innately lend themselves to sexualization more than others because they are aesthetically or tactically pleasing. In that sense they can be pleasing without being sexual.

Like what? I'm coming up blank on that.

I also think some bdsm activities probably cause endorphin peaks. That might not be directly sexual.

Yeah, but there are more socially acceptable and mainstream ways to get an endorphin rush, if that is legitimately what they were after.

[–]anxietyaccount8 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I always felt like nature intended for me to be a lesbian, but wires got crossed somewhere. But my digit ratio doesn't really support that.

No offense but why say essentialist things like this? You can just appreciate your unique self.

There don't appear to be.

I highly doubt that men fetishizing women's clothing is something that Western men invented. Whether or not they actually crossdressed with them.

[–]worried19[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No offense but why say essentialist things like this? You can just appreciate your unique self.

I don't think it's essentialist. If sexual orientation is determined by prenatal androgens and I suspect I got stronger exposure to testosterone in the womb, then it would make sense for me to be a lesbian. Not like it was destiny or fate, but something was atypical in my development. It's just a weird feeling that I've always had. I used to wonder if I was intersex. And before I found GC feminism, I wondered if I was supposed to be transgender. I have since accepted I am fully female, but I still feel like there's something that must explain why I'm at the atypical end of things.

I highly doubt that men fetishizing women's clothing is something that Western men invented. Whether or not they actually crossdressed with them.

Oh, I'm sure lots of men worldwide have fetishized femininity and female clothing. But I don't know if that would have developed into autogynephilia in all cultures.