QT: How is the concept of a "gender identity" not sexist?

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[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You're hyper-aware of being female & me being male, bc you keep mentioning it, regardless of relevancy. Heightened awareness of your gender identity = increased gender identity salience. Just pretend it says "sex identity", if that makes you feel better.

Anyway, do none of the social identities exist? Or do they all exist except for gender identity? Is 'identity salience' totally made up as well, or only when it's 'gender identity salience'?

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not bringing up my "gender identity" or my "sex identity", but my SEX. And I don't know what is so odd about bringing up our sexes in a discussion about sex. I could bring up other aspects of myself like my nationality, social class, education level, religion, hobbies, family, etcetera, but I don't think they're very relevant right now. And your sex is the only thing I know for sure about you.

I think you're overstimating how much I think in terms of identity, but if you insist... yeah, my sex is part of my identity. I think sex is really the relevant part.

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I could bring up other aspects of myself like my nationality...

Replace "myself" with: my identity. Do you have a national identity? What about a class identity?

If socialisation can be gendered, if behaviour can be gendered, can identity be gendered?

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If I were to write about my identity, I would say I'm a woman (as in my sex is female). However, I would not say I was socialized as a woman (or however you prefer to call it) because that doesn't feel like a natural way of talking about myself. I'm a woman because I have a female body and this is really the relevant part of my identity, not "gender identity". There is no doubt my sex has shaped my life both because of biology and because of society, but I'm not a walking stereotype despite having a female socialization. Really, I never even feel "feminine".

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you have a class-identity, or national identity? Or does no one have either of those things, since no one can live up to being a "walking stereotype"? Does social identities not exist only because walking stereotypes don't exist? So just bc it's not your entire identity it can't possibly be a part of your identity?

So your socialisation wasn't gendered? So when your parents recognised your sex & treated you accordingly, none of that actually happened? Either they were blind to your sex or they come from Mars where girls & boys aren't treated differently?

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've NEVER said I was never treated differently because of my sex, in fact I said the opposite. But of course you're ignoring it and making things up again. Whatever, I'm done with your bullshit. Clearly, it was mistake thinking I could engage you.

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have cited too many sources for it to be "bullshit". You're embarrassing yourself by being disingenuous. Sociology is not "my bullshit". It's just science that you irrationally disagree with for reasons unknown. If you were expecting me to conclude that sociology is bullshit simply by you engaging with me the way you have, then yes, clearly you were mistaken.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, right, I'm embarrasing myself... says the guy who confused two different papers because he can't read a simple title. Nevermind that your sources understand "gender identity" as how someone perceives themself.