QT: How is the concept of a "gender identity" not sexist?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's he and yes trans people do tell doctors their birth sex.

Except in the particular case we are discussing the person didn't reveal this information.

Also, FYI in health care the front line people doing the crucial gatekeeping are usually never doctors. People with hidden health conditions and medically relevant behaviors have a duty to reveal their/our situations to people doing the intake. Whether those people be the EMS workers who respond to a 911 or 999 call, the triage nurse in an ER/AE, the administrator who takes your details, or the other parties on the line in a virtual medical consult.

That list of "trans people" from prior centuries isn't the convincing proof you think it is.

[–]worried19 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's also horrible and arrogant to retroactively decide that people from centuries ago were transgender when the concept did not exist for them.

If I lived 150 years ago, I'd disguise myself as a man. And then TRAs from the 21st century would go around telling everyone I actually had a male gender soul instead of merely being a gender nonconforming woman trying to survive in a hostile environment. While erasing all the accomplishments that I made as a female in the meantime. They've done it to women like Jennie Hodgers and James Barry. For a movement that's supposedly all about respecting people's identities, they sure don't put mind putting words in the mouths of dead people. This is like the Mormons posthumously baptizing Anne Frank. It's fucking offensive as hell.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is insane how they are ignoring all the sexism and patriarchy and saying "it was a choice". And they never wondering - why all the "trans" of the past are transmen, and that "third genders" in other cultures are always gay or infertile men. They ignore that woman was not allowed by law to work in science or be surgeon or live open public life, so of course some women would pretend to be a man, but not because "they feel as men", no - because they want to be a human being with full rights. I pretended to be a man to get a job in engineering/IT, because when I was sending resume with female name, I was instantly dismissed, few times I was laughed out, yet when I started presenting with male name - I was called to personal meetings by HR almost always. Am I transman now too? It is stupid.

And TRA with LibFems are like that everywhere. They for some reason think that women around the world and women 200 years ago had same rights and freedoms as white privileged women in 1st world country today. Especially it is seen how they are defending hijab and burqa. Saying "it is a choice", when in majority of islamic word burqa or hijab are required by the law and in places where it is not required by the law - family have a right to disown a girl or a woman if she refuses to wear burqa or hijab, in Iran men are throwing acid in face of women who not wearing hijab. Women in thouse countries are spicifically going outside without hijab or burqa as form of a protest to get human rights. Yet on West it is called "it is a choice".

And then those same people are saying that "it is libfems who fought for all the achievements have" and saying that 2nd wave, suffragettes and so on were "libfems" too, while those women held almost opposite beliefs to libfems and were calling oppression sex based and were saying that oppression is based on sex class, and not put on individual women, when libfems are focusing on individualism and choice.

It is complete lack of understanding. Even in this sub GB does this all the time, she is posting "examples" that are completely disproving her position, but she thinks those people "made a choice" and supporting her narrative, she completely misses the point and can't see the oppression and sexism pushing women to do what they did.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

It is insane how they are ignoring all the sexism and patriarchy and saying "it was a choice". And they never wondering - why all the "trans" of the past are transmen, and that "third genders" in other cultures are always gay or infertile men.

Eleanor Rykener, Lucy Hicks Anderson, Sir Lady Java, Chevalier d’Eon, Marja-Sisko Aalto, Rebecca Allison, Robina Asti and Sister Mary Elizabeth Clark are all trans women.

They ignore that woman was not allowed by law to work in science or be surgeon or live open public life, so of course some women would pretend to be a man, but not because "they feel as men", no - because they want to be a human being with full rights.

I am fully aware that women were barred from many professions in the past. Heck, women are still de facto barred from certain professions, like sanitation, mechanics, IT, especially WOC. However, some people will still be trans, even if we had equal rights and sexism doesn't exist.

I pretended to be a man to get a job in engineering/IT, because when I was sending resume with female name, I was instantly dismissed, few times I was laughed out, yet when I started presenting with male name - I was called to personal meetings by HR almost always. Am I transman now too? It is stupid.

I am sorry that happened to you and no you are not a trans man. This should not be happening.

And then those same people are saying that "it is libfems who fought for all the achievements have"

All feminists fought for equal rights for women.

2nd wave, suffragettes and so on were "libfems" too, while those women held almost opposite beliefs to libfems and were calling oppression sex based and were saying that oppression is based on sex class

There were libfems and radfems back then. You can't generalize every feminist from that time.

when libfems are focusing on individualism and choice.

Liberal feminism focuses on achieving gender equality through political and legal reform. For instance, if black and indigenous students receive more school suspensions than white students for similar offenses, we would push for a law requiring public schools to collect suspension data by race and actively address those disparities, while also requiring schools to consider other options before suspension. If women are getting sexually harassed at work, we push for laws requiring employers to take sexual harassment seriously. Radical feminism calls for a radical reordering of society in which male supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts, while recognizing that women's experiences are also affected by other social divisions such as in race, class, and sexual orientation. Radical feminism aims to dismantle patriarchy rather than making adjustments to the system through legal changes.