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[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

Of course it does. Enact and repeat a behavior enough times under the influence of internal modulators and external stimuli and that behavior becomes a CNS-biased norm at a neuronal level.

But aren't non conforming people explicitly going against stimulus in their environments?

All kinds of sexual behaviour existed before porn and the internet.

A starting point to me is common sexualities have gender norms. Yes?

If those are reversed it's considered fetishistic and perverse.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But aren't non conforming people explicitly going against stimulus in their environments?

It depends on the individual and the environment. Stimuli don't impress a vacuum -- they impress individuals. Individuals have distinct personalities. Environments have macro and meso/micro variants. What a culture demands may be countered to one extent or another by the family or immediate environment.

A girl raised with strong received gender norms may or may not desire to climb trees, like the boys around her are doing -- depending on her individual personality. If she has no desire to climb trees, she easily adopts and internally reinforces the gendered norm re tree-climbing. If she desires to climb but her personality (for whatever reason) cannot prevail against the norms, she internally reinforces the gendered norm, perhaps more reluctantly. If she desires to climb and her personality is capable of transgressing the norm, each time she climbs a tree she remaps her internal experience in opposition to the norm and reinforces her reality as a climber of trees (this is a neuro-motor process as much as a cognitive process) -- she is choosing and reinforcing one set of stimuli (transgressive and experiential) over another (gendered socialization).

ETA

All kinds of sexual behaviour existed before porn and the internet.

It has never in human history been so widely disseminated and easily available as porn.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

(Follow-on)

A starting point to me is common sexualities have gender norms. Yes?

If those are reversed it's considered fetishistic and perverse.

Sexualities or sexes?

Biological sexes have commonly enforced gender norms assigned to each.

Oriented sexualities describe innate patterns of attraction.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

Sexualities or sexes?

Yeah I was meaning the sexualities common to the two sexes. I don't think men and women like the same things, generally.

Biological sexes have commonly enforced gender norms assigned to each.

Right but how far?

Oriented sexualities describe innate patterns of attraction.

So how much is innate?

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah I was meaning the sexualities common to the two sexes. I don't think men and women like the same things, generally.

I don't think we're defining "sexuality" the same here. Are you addressing sexual orientation (lesbian, gay, bi, het) or objects/practices that generate sexual arousal?

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

The latter, I don't think men and women are attracted to the same things. The things people find erotic separate from sexual orientations.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay. That is a very large, very different conversation, maybe not aprops for OP's thread.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

But there is gender differences in that? Or at least as a spectrum?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suspect there are. But I think the term "spectrum" is grossly overused.