QT: Even by your own beliefs, sexuality can't be based on "gender identity"

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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Someone who is same sex attracted is more likely to be gender non conforming.

Wait, what? No --- not apart from specific geo-cultural mediation.

And earlier:

GC routinely says gender non conformity in children is related to them growing up to be gay adults and not being trans.

It emphatically doesn't.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

Wait, what? No --- not apart from specific geo-cultural mediation.

You think gender conformity has no pattern of expression related to same sex attraction?

It emphatically doesn't.

Isn't this the common position?

"Just because a child is gnc doesn't mean they are going to grow up to transition, they can grow up to gay."

You haven't heard that argument?

I mean I think there is some validity in it.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You think gender conformity has no pattern of expression related to same sex attraction?

In the sprawling metro U.S. region I grew up in pre-Disney-Princess-era, no. In the unis I've attended here and abroad in the West, no. YMMV.

Isn't this the common position?

Not in GC thought. The common position is that gender is imposed and (re)enforced for a variety of longstanding reasons, the most recent being commercial profit from a captive market.

You haven't heard that argument?

No, I honestly haven't. It doesn't remotely pass (no pun) as anything with lineage to GC thought and reasoning.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

In the sprawling metro U.S. region I grew up in pre-Disney-Princess-era, no. In the unis I've attended here and abroad in the West, no. YMMV.

To be clear you are saying in these environments there is no relationship between gender expression and sexual orientation?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

There didn't seem to be, in terms of masc/femme attributes. This was also before the trans craze really gained momentum.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

You're saying before "the trans craze" the populations in these environments were equally masculine and feminine regardless of their sex?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

No, that's not what I said, and it's not what I'm "saying."

I also know enough Greats to know a logos trap when I see one.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

So what are you meaning?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That we're descending into legalistic argumentation.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

Do you mean within the gay community they were equally masculine and feminine regardless of their sex?

I'm trying to see what you are describing.