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GC: Why is there more focus on trans women than trans men?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago (31 children)

The trans movement is all about appropriation & erasure of sex & by extension of women & homosexuals. GC is just a reaction to that. It counters hate groups like the MRM & the trans MRM.

The GC movement is about blaming erasing trans people.

"Misandry" doesn't exist. It's just a silencing tactic against anyone exposing misogyny. Calling feminists man-haters is the oldest anti-feminist trick in the book.

If it weren't for posts like this, we wouldn't be saying feminists are man hating.

Misogynistic males come up with sexist slurs daily. Where are all the slurs GC is coining against men?

GCs on Ovarit and Saidit constantly use slurs against trans people, such as narcissist, delusional, fetishistic, lying little shit, mental case, fujoshi, YAOI, "everyone wants to be oppressed" just to name a few. I didn't make up these slurs. They are from actual GC threads.

If there were any, then trans adult human males wouldn't have a mental breakdown every time someone called them men, while hypocritically calling everyone "cis".

Trans men don't have a breakdown from being called men.

Assigned by Mother Nature then? Well it didn't happen at birth. You can't change sex btw. Just because your preferred sex does not match your sex that doesn't make your sex "assigned", it's just your sex, which is different from being your preferred sex. The terminology "assigned sex at birth" is appropriated from intersex people's experience.

Intersex people did not invent the term "assigned sex at birth".

Social contagion is the reason for all the het girls. It's also a really androcentric view to need to mutilate yourself. It's just not necessary if you're female. People convinced them that changing sex is possible. Parents & society didn't tell their gay kids who developed a cross-gender identification that being gay was possible & okay.

There is a thing called dysphoria and it's not caused by social contagion. I was born female. The thought of me having a penis grosses me out. If I was born male, I would feel great distress and want to transition via hormones and surgery so I wouldn't fee; distress in my body. Most of us TRAs are supportive of LGB communities. From high school I always said "it's OK to be gay" to homophobic classmates, was happy when gay marriage was legalized in my state when I was finishing 9th grade and I still supported the trans community at that time.

Western society is probably responsible for gender dysphoria, which is why cultures outside the West don't experience it, hence why the icd-11 doesn't include it, because it's not universal, just Western.

Please provide me a link to data on trans populations by country. Otherwise, this statement is meaningless.

[–]adungitit 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun - 2 years ago (3 children)

If it weren't for posts like this, we wouldn't be saying feminists are man hating.

You mean the post that is accurate, but is "manhating" because it doesn't lie and gaslight that women are the problem and that the matriarchy is a thing? You have been given statistics and just basic fucking observations of the world around you. Your response? Lying through your teeth and ignoring anything that puts a dent into your lying. When you tire of lying, you disappear.

GCs on Ovarit and Saidit constantly use slurs against trans people, such as narcissist, delusional, fetishistic, lying little shit, mental case, fujoshi, YAOI, "everyone wants to be oppressed" just to name a few. I didn't make up these slurs. They are from actual GC threads.

Those are not slurs. You could describe them as insults or stereotypes or just descriptions, but they are not slurs. Slurs are actual words uniquely targeted at a specific group for the purpose of insulting them. Calling fetishists or narcissists what they are is not a "slur". Hell, even calling marginalised groups those words isn't a slur, because a "slur" is a very specific thing, not just any insult.

There is a thing called dysphoria and it's not caused by social contagion. I was born female. The thought of me having a penis grosses me out. If I was born male, I would feel great distress and want to transition via hormones and surgery so I wouldn't fee

Right, you said this before (because of course you did), and were told that this "dysphoria", "hormones" and "surgery" aren't even needed to be trans in any way, and that claiming otherwise makes you transphobic. And, of course, you conveniently disappeared, but knowing you're wrong didn't stop you from parroting the exact same thing here, and it won't stop you from parroting it elsewhere.

In every thread, you are proven wrong, you always fail to address anything that was said, you constantly lie through your teeth even when faced with statistics, only to disappear and reappear elsewhere and parrot the exact same lying. Even with this very limited engagement, when the reality of female oppression becomes impossible even for you to ignore, you switch to claiming you can't be a misogynist because of these specific instances where you've oh-so-bravely virtue-signalled for equal rights of various disenfranchised groups, waiting for an applause. None of this disproves your misogyny when you consistently lie, gaslight and espouse misogynistic views and male myths that are directly harmful to women. But the fact that QT "feminists" are so consistently misogynistic for the sake of male approval does prove a good point in regards to how self-hating a woman has to be in order for QT to make sense.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago* (2 children)

You mean the post that is accurate, but is "manhating" because it doesn't lie and gaslight that women are the problem and that the matriarchy is a thing?

Men are less likely to be taken seriously when they are abused. Trystan Cotton is a black trans man and a professor of gender studies at California State University Stanislaus. Pre-transition he worked at another university and was harassed by males. The university reacted immediately, even sending a police escort with him to and from campus. After transition he worked at this university and was harassed at this university by a female student he was mentoring, and his adviser and the dean — both women — laughed it off. Why the difference in responses? Is it because he's a big scary black man who can't be abused by women?

Yet GCs say women don't abuse men. Here is a comment from the old GC sub documented on r/gendercynical.

Get it through your heads. Women. Don't. Abuse. Men. PERIOD. Women don't have physical power over men. Women are not threatening to men. Women are not a danger to men. Women do not have power over men or advantages over men.

That comment was upvoted by many GCs. The person who wrote the next comment was downvoted and their comment was removed by the mods.

This is bullshit. How fucking dare you. Women have abused men. No where near the numbers that MRAs claim, that is true. But my mother tried to kill my father and her children because she didn't want us anymore. I have friends who had abusive mothers, who were also abusive to their husbands. And no, our fathers were not abusive. Just because they couldn't match men in physical strength didn't mean that they couldn't cause hurt.

Here is a thread on Ovarit titled "Abuse is not "just female related" - it happens vice verse all the time, even if it's not that visual but it hurts even more." Sure, buddy, whatever you say.. They linked to a reddit post where a man says there should be more films and shows about women abusing men. Ovarit mocked the OP, even saying "men actually have the expectation of being treated well" when that's not always the case, like in Trystan Cotton's case.

Here is an article on Feminist Current titled This thing about male victims on Feminist Current making up false statistics on women abusing men.

To be clear, not all GCs think this way, but from what they write online I get the impression that the majority of them think this way.

[–]adungitit 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago (1 child)

Why the difference in responses?

Because women do not abuse men like vice versa, and no amount of your brainless mantra parroting can change that. Men simply do not live in fear of women harming them. Now, are you going to lie through your teeth some more that they do or are you going to conveniently ignore this as usual when you get caught in your lie?

The university reacted immediately, even sending a police escort with him to and from campus. After transition he worked at this university and was harassed at this university by a female student he was mentoring

jfc this again...

First, LOL at "abuse of men" being targeted towards a woman.

Second, even if what you're saying were true, it's telling that you could only think of one very specific example. No statistics or anything. One event. Believe me, I can give you a helluva lot more than a few names, there are whole masses of women who have suffered from male harassment literally for centuries, to the point that they couldn't even leave their house unescorted (and still can't in many places), to the point where we literally have shelters for them because their lives are in danger, to the point no-one acts shocked when they read of yet another woman beaten and murdered by their psycho husband. I could find you instances of little children killing their own parents. Do you think that would suddenly necessitate children's rights groups switching their focus on parents being in danger of their little children, instead of vice versa?

Third, women do not present a physical threat to the man in most cases. This is due to simple physical differences in strength between the sexes. Now, women might present a threat to men with the help of a weapon (but even that is already an extreme requirement - it's much harder to subjugate someone when you have to hold a weapon and ensure you can use it at all times, vs when you can do it through sheer strength alone), but, as it turns out, women simply do not want to do this. Women do not harbour sadistic, fetishistic, violent ideas about men that tie into widespread supremacist ideas on their own gender. They simply don't. No, you lying through your teeth about this isn't going to change reality. These concepts (male strength compared to women, male supremacy being tied to misogyny and male violence, male propensity to escalate to alarming and dangerous behaviour) have been well established and are also one of those things obvious just from using your fucking eyes.

You have been given statistics before in regards to women being murdered by their intimate partners. The numbers in reverse are in single digits (and also, most of these women are actually abused by said murder victims, and I'm talking actual abuse, not just flinging insults). The chances of a woman escalating and presenting any physical danger to the man are positively miniscule. That is why you do not need a police escort from a woman, while with men, the chances of the encounter turning dangerous skyrocket because of how much damage they're capable of and willing/feel entitled to do. Women are not even in the same ballpark, which is why no-one fears female violence. Are you going to lie through your teeth about this fact, ignore it, or are you going to actually address it for a change?

Fourth, women are constantly portrayed as "crazy bitches" if they don't keep quiet and bend over backwards to accommodate others to their own detriment. Hence why feminists (mostly female) bend over backwards to accommodate men, while pretty much every male-dominated community does nothing but complain about women doing...anything, really. Hence also the double standard of trans activists getting so furious at specifically feminist women and calling for their rape and murder (you can see the same pattern with the "Karen" meme, too), while the men who actually throw slurs, beat and kill trans people get grouped in with vague "transphobes". The progressive groups know that women do not pose a threat to them and that men pose a threat to women, which is why they try to use fear and violence (sexual or otherwise) to silence them. This is also why statistics on domestic violence that claim abuse goes both ways actually rely on "mutual abuse" and "verbal abuse", but intentionally portray it in a way that will make it seem like we have a pandemic of battered men, which is quite simply a lie. So excuse me if I find it hard to swallow that the abuse the person in question received was in the same ballpark from male and female perpetuators. Also, you seem to have slipped out that the abuse they received was from a single woman while it was from multiple men - and I legit wonder, given the fact that it's a professor of gender studies, if said "woman" was even female, given that lying about a person's sex in these groups has become so commonplace.

"Abuse is not "just female related" - it happens vice verse all the time, even if it's not that visual but it hurts even more." Sure, buddy, whatever you say.. They linked to a reddit post where a man says there should be more films and shows about women abusing men

lol I love how your own example literally says that the abuse men suffer isn't "visual" i.e. physical and yet, despite this, that it "hurts more" than all the bruised, battered and murdered women who literally need shelters to save themselves from male aggressors. Also, men have vastly different standards for what counts as abuse, to the point that we have enormous male communities claiming they're oppressed because women aren't having sex with them, and who claim they're abused by "nagging wives" because they're expected to wash the dishes once in a while, stop drinking or do something other than playing videogames. But given the amount of gaslighting that liberal feminism engages in, I wouldn't be surprised if being a "nag" or "crazy bitch" was seen as a form of endearment now, or simply something that DoEsN't HaPpeN because it's "just a joke, bruh".

Ovarit mocked the OP, even saying "men actually have the expectation of being treated well" when that's not always the case, like in Trystan Cotton's case.

LMAO "There are no widespread trends or social norms, look at this one example of a single person (who's actually a woman)" Riiight.

Yet GCs say women don't abuse men

Because they don't, for reasons that have been explained to you. You have been given statistics and just basic observations of the world around you. Are you going to respond with something other than lying or ignoring anything that shows you're a liar?

Oh, speaking of:

Right, you said this before (because of course you did), and were told that this "dysphoria", "hormones" and "surgery" aren't even needed to be trans in any way, and that claiming otherwise makes you transphobic. And, of course, you conveniently disappeared, but knowing you're wrong didn't stop you from parroting the exact same thing here, and it won't stop you from parroting it elsewhere.

Any plans to address this?

Here is an article on Feminist Current titled This thing about male victims on Feminist Current making up false statistics on women abusing men.

I don't get it...You post an article with statistics, and claim they're "false" based on...what exactly? Wishful thinking?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago* (0 children)

Because women do not abuse men like vice versa, and no amount of your brainless mantra parroting can change that. Men simply do not live in fear of women harming them. Now, are you going to lie through your teeth some more that they do or are you going to conveniently ignore this as usual when you get caught in your lie?

Nearly 3 in 10 women (29%) and 1 in 10 men (10%) in the US have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by a partner and reported it having a related impact on their functioning.

https://www.thehotline.org/stakeholders/domestic-violence-statistics/

From 2010 to 2012, scholars of domestic violence from the U.S., Canada and the U.K. assembled The Partner Abuse State of Knowledge, a research database covering 1700 peer-reviewed studies, the largest of its kind. Among its findings:

More women (23%) than men (19.3%) have been assaulted at least once in their lifetime.

Rates of female-perpetrated violence are higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%).

Male and female IPV are perpetrated from similar motives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men#:~:text=More%20women%20(23%25)%20than,21.6%25).

First, LOL at "abuse of men" being targeted towards a woman.

This was a man being abused. He presented as a man and the university saw him as a man.

Third, women do not present a physical threat to the man in most cases. This is due to simple physical differences in strength between the sexes. Now, women might present a threat to men with the help of a weapon (but even that is already an extreme requirement - it's much harder to subjugate someone when you have to hold a weapon and ensure you can use it at all times, vs when you can do it through sheer strength alone), but, as it turns out, women simply do not want to do this. Women do not harbour sadistic, fetishistic, violent ideas about men that tie into widespread supremacist ideas on their own gender. They simply don't. No, you lying through your teeth about this isn't going to change reality. These concepts (male strength compared to women, male supremacy being tied to misogyny and male violence, male propensity to escalate to alarming and dangerous behaviour) have been well established and are also one of those things obvious just from using your fucking eyes.

But do you understand that even within biological sexes, strength can vary among people? My sister is stronger than some of our male family members.

and I'm talking actual abuse, not just flinging insults).

I'm talking about actual abuse.

Fourth, women are constantly portrayed as "crazy bitches" if they don't keep quiet and bend over backwards to accommodate others to their own detriment. Hence why feminists (mostly female) bend over backwards to accommodate men, while pretty much every male-dominated community does nothing but complain about women doing...anything, really.

I don't bend over backwards to anyone. On this sub, do you see me bending over backwards to others. I have never been called a crazy bitch for that.

Because they don't, for reasons that have been explained to you.

This is exactly why GCs got kicked off of reddit. Before you say "ReDdIt HaTeS wOmEn", I am openly a woman on reddit and moderate a few subs (unrelated to feminism), and I have not been kicked off.

[–]BiologyIsReal 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (0 children)

[–]SnowAssMan 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun - 2 years ago (24 children)

Gender is a social construct. Sexes & sexual orientations have biological underpinnings & can be measured. Transgender has never been proven to exist. Transgender people never used to exist even as a concept (in the modern trans movement sense of a "woman trapped in a man's body") & don't exist in other cultures. So what's there to erase? A modern, Western trend? It'd be like erasing emos. They'll erase themselves eventually, just like the emos did, once teens find something else to obsess over. Autogynaephiles exist & feminine/passive homosexuals exist, which are what trans people really are – types of men, not types of women. Not erasing women ≠ erasing GNC men.

False equivalence. Again, count the misogynistic slurs. You'll be at it all day. The only "slurs" you could possibly find for men, were made & used almost exclusively by men. Those insults (e.g. narcissist is not a slur, it's just an insult, like dumbass, dumbass) are aimed at men specifically, not trans people generally. Slurs against trans people aren't even allowed on this sub.

There are videos on youtube where trans adult human males are losing their minds over being called "sir" lol the fact that they can get so triggered by regular, innocuous words illustrates that they don't experience being called worse things, like genuine slurs.

Assigned at birth is a term related to people with DSDs. Trans people are not intersex, their sex is unambiguous, therefore there'd be no reason to assign them a sex. If you're holding a male baby, completely lacking in any congenital conditions, there is no reason to "decide" on their sex. The trans movement is appropriating the term because they think it helps undermine their sex.

ROGD is caused by social contagion & it's the reason all these middle-class, young het girls think they are trans nowadays, when this trend never existed within this demographic previously. It's obviously not biologically determined, otherwise what has changed about all these girls' biology?

If you had been male, you would not have had an issue with that. The only people who seem to have that issue are some feminine homosexuals & autogynacephiles. And the former group is mostly temporary since up to 95% desist.

Gender dysphoria is a Western thing, hence why the icd-11 doesn't refer to it as a "dysphoria" (a type of depression) & does not define it as "distressing":

"Some cultures have three defined genders: man, woman, and effeminate man. For example, in Samoa, the fa'afafine, a group of feminine males, are entirely socially accepted. The fa'afafine do not have any of the stigma or distress typically associated in most cultures with deviating from a male/female gender role. This suggests the distress so frequently associated with GID in a Western context is not caused by the disorder itself, but by difficulties encountered from social disapproval by one's culture"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

"Some contemporary Zapotec peoples in Mexico embody the traditional third gender role known as muxe. They consider themselves to be "muxe in men's bodies," who do the work that their culture usually associates with women. When asked by transgender researchers in 2004 if they ever considered surgical transition, "none of the respondents found the idea interesting, but rather strange" as their essence as muxe is not dependent on what type of body they are in."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

"Compared to the DSM-5, the ICD-11 replaces the state of distress associated with that incongruence by the terms dislike or discomfort with less psychopathological connotations. In addition, only two diagnostic criteria must be met. This diagnosis could, therefore, be fulfilled without wanting to get rid of the primary and secondary sexual characteristics of the felt gender. Feeling dislike with the primary or secondary sexual characteristics, along with the desire to be treated and accepted as a person of the felt gender, would be sufficient to make the diagnosis of gender incongruence and would not imply the desire to undergo medical-surgical interventions to achieve a gender confirmation."

https://www.mentalhealthjournal.org/articles/gender-incongruence-is-no-longer-a-mental-disorder.html

The reason GC generally knows more about this topic than QT is because we are the atheists, while you are the theists. Most of us started out QT, but then we read a little too much.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago (23 children)

Gender is a social construct. Sexes & sexual orientations have biological underpinnings & can be measured.

I agree.

Transgender people never used to exist even as a concept (in the modern trans movement sense of a "woman trapped in a man's body") & don't exist in other cultures.

Here are some trans men from the 20th century: Alan L. Hart, Amelio Robles Ávila, Willmer ‘Little Ax” Broadnax, and Charley Parkhurst, to name a few.

So what's there to erase? A modern, Western trend?

Thailand has a large trans community.

https://www.connectsavannah.com/savannah/why-are-there-so-many-transgender-women-in-thailand/Content?oid=2855178

https://theculturetrip.com/asia/thailand/articles/a-brief-history-of-thailands-transgender-community/

https://thailand505.com/why-are-there-so-many-transgender-ladyboys-in-thailand/

India passed trans rights laws.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/01/what-does-indias-transgender-community-want/

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/12/04/784398783/india-just-passed-a-trans-rights-bill-why-are-trans-activists-protesting-it

It'd be like erasing emos. They'll erase themselves eventually, just like the emos did, once teens find something else to obsess over.

The difference with trends is they last a few years (at most a decade). Emos were popular in 2010-2012. Bangs were popular in 08-09 and the fidget spinner trend lasted a year. There have been trans people always in history, as I pointed out above.

False equivalence. Again, count the misogynistic slurs. You'll be at it all day. The only "slurs" you could possibly find for men, were made & used almost exclusively by men.

The slurs I listed are used mostly by women on Ovarit.

There are videos on youtube where trans adult human males are losing their minds over being called "sir" lol the fact that they can get so triggered by regular, innocuous words illustrates that they don't experience being called worse things, like genuine slurs.

Trans males don't get triggered by being called "sir". Trans females do. Though I agree it's wrong.

Assigned at birth is a term related to people with DSDs.

Link me a source where people with DSDs invented that term.

ROGD is caused by social contagion & it's the reason all these middle-class, young het girls think they are trans nowadays, when this trend never existed within this demographic previously. It's obviously not biologically determined, otherwise what has changed about all these girls' biology?

Yuo! Every single middle class girl wants to be a boy. But children from other socio-economic classes are never trans.

If you had been male, you would not have had an issue with that.

I would.

The only people who seem to have that issue are some feminine homosexuals & autogynacephiles. And the former group is mostly temporary since up to 95% desist.

Detransition is rare. In a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality, only 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, and 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686

Gender dysphoria is a Western thing, hence why the icd-11 doesn't refer to it as a "dysphoria" (a type of depression) & does not define it as "distressing":

ICD is for diseases. Transgender is not a disease.

[–]SnowAssMan 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (21 children)

Presentism. Transgender as a concept describing a type of woman rather than a type of man is a modern, Western trend. It wasn't that long ago we were describing all the people in various cultures, who we now call "women", as gay men. The hijra in India & the kathoey in Thailand are literally homosexuals. The trans movement is attempting to erase & appropriate them in order to legitimise its ideology.

I'll give you an example: "Two Spirit" is a modern Western word & describes supposed transgender Native Americans. The old word was "berdache", which literally means, you guessed it: passive homosexual. In those days, in those nations, if you were gay, it was more than likely that you were "the only gay in the village". The only way you could have a same-sex marriage would be to take on the gender roles of the opposite sex. That's why homosexuality manifests itself this same way in all these isolated ethnic minority groups, all over the world. This is gay history, now being erased by trans hysteria. And people like you are complicit:

“As far as the sexual orientation of hijra people is cocnerned Hossain (2012) who conducted an ethnogrpahic research in Bangladesh stated that sexually and romantically hijra people are attracted towards “macho” men (Hossain 2012, 495)”

“Thailand’s third-gender kathoey also deviate from the conventional sex and gender binary models. Generally, the kathoey are perceived as feminine males who are sexually inclined toward men (Grünhagen 2016, 224-225)”

“In terms of sexual orientation, male berdache were generally inclined toward non-berdache men (Roscoe 1996, 335)”

“Jainism also demonstrates a historical understanding of gender nonconformity. The Jain community interpreted gender-variance through a unique lens, where one’s role during intercourse determined one’s gender identity (Reddy, 2005)”

“The māhū of Hawaii and other Pacific Islands, similarly possess feminine gender characteristics and engage in intercourse with male chiefs. During the encounter, the māhū is penetrated and adopts the sexual roles of a woman. That said, māhūs are not generally seen as women, but rather as replacements for women. A sexual relationship with a māhū is considered convenient, pleasurable, and a relatively pressure-free engagement (Besnier 1996, 301)”

https://d-nb.info/1202848060/34

You think it mere chance that all these supposedly transgendered people are all homosexuals? Chance would never allow for such a coincidence.

Oh, & women living as men are not transgender. If a woman lives as a man, does that make her a man? Can a woman not live as a man then, since it automatically makes her a man? It's like if you're black but you passed for white in the olden days you could "live as white". That doesn't make them "trans-racial", right? The only way women could do the same things that men could in the olden days was for them to pass as men.

The slurs I listed are used mostly by women on Ovarit.

You failed to list a single slur. Again an insult is not the same as a slur. 'Narcissist' is not the same as the n-word. Didn't know that needed explaining.

You: Caitlyn Jenner's natally, born, biologically, assumed, bimodal, assigned, constructed, at birth sex, without even asking(!) is male”.

Also You: Caitlyn Jenner is female.

Sexist double-standard. Sex is male & female. Gender is masculine & feminine. Quit being complicit in the trans movement's appropriation of sex terms to refer to social constructs. Transgendered adult human males become more aggressive if you acknowledge their sex instead of their self-id. Like that one who threatened Ben Shapiro. That's why we need to separate them from women, because they can, at any time, self-identify right back into the role they were socialised into.

No one said that people with DSDs invented the term, dumbass. Are you claiming trans people invented it? lol try finding evidence of that. Sex is only assigned in the case of intersex people.

Not every girl wanted to be an emo either. It's a teenage subculture. Older women, women who have given birth seem to not be trans. How do you explain the sudden explosion in trans numbers within the demographic of young het girls? If it's not social contagion then it's biologically determined. Can you cough up any evidence that their biology is different from girls in the past & that this is what's causing it?

Anyone with a healthy male body would just live with it. They wouldn't try to transition, unless they were suffering from some sort of trauma, self-hatred, or some other mental issue, hence why the vast majority desist. They grow out of it. You would too.

Detransition is rare

lol you don't even know the difference between desistance & detransition. Every gender realist is an ignoramus, otherwise they'd be GC. Btw, detransition may be rare, but it's not as rare as suicide. How do you justify transition with a minuscule suicide rate, while a higher detrans rate can't shift you into rejecting medical transition as necessary or even viable as an option? It's that hypocritical double standard again, isn't it? Whatever can be implied to affirm self-id is paramount & whatever undermines it is insignificant – the mantra of the self-id cult.

ICD is for diseases. Transgender is not a disease.

You're the one calling them dysphoric i.e. mentally disordered. Neither the DSM nor the ICD lists being transgender as a disease or mental disorder btw. They list them at all so that they can justify mutilating them "for their own good". It's an indirect way of pathologising homosexuality.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (0 children)

The trans movement is attempting to erase & appropriate them in order to legitimise its ideology.

Not just that.

All those third classes for gay men are not even transgender at all. They are not "becoming women", they are staying either men or new, third category. They had more rights and freedoms than women, but slightly less than other men. So they weren't trans ("opposite to"), they were new entity entirely, often with new third spaces, or with right to use any spaces (male, female, unisex) they wanted. And that was many times abused by regular men as it was shown in this very sub already (https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/7va8/qttrans_trans_women_say_feminism_and_womens/tiuw?context=3). If even there, where punishment for it can be death, it is abused and require more steps than Self-ID - can you imagine how Self-ID will be abused?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago (19 children)

Presentism. Transgender as a concept describing a type of woman rather than a type of man is a modern, Western trend.

Transgender can both describe men and women. There are trans men and there are trans women.

It wasn't that long ago we were describing all the people in various cultures, who we now call "women", as gay men. The hijra in India & the kathoey in Thailand are literally homosexuals.

And some are transsexuals and that's OK.

Oh, & women living as men are not transgender. If a woman lives as a man, does that make her a man?

Then they're not living as men then.

You failed to list a single slur. Again an insult is not the same as a slur. 'Narcissist' is not the same as the n-word. Didn't know that needed explaining.

A slur, according to Merriam-Websiter is an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo : aspersion..

Sexist double-standard. Sex is male & female. Gender is masculine & feminine. Quit being complicit in the trans movement's appropriation of sex terms to refer to social constructs.

I personally don't mind the term male and female to be used for identities. I also don't mind them being used in a biological sense when we talk about medicine and biology.

No one said that people with DSDs invented the term, dumbass. Are you claiming trans people invented it? lol try finding evidence of that. Sex is only assigned in the case of intersex people.

Yes but we use the term "assigned sex at birth" for birth sex.

Not every girl wanted to be an emo either. It's a teenage subculture.

Being trans is not a subculture.

Anyone with a healthy male body would just live with it. They wouldn't try to transition, unless they were suffering from some sort of trauma, self-hatred, or some other mental issue, hence why the vast majority desist. They grow out of it. You would too.

This is proof that GCs don't believe in dysphoria.

lol you don't even know the difference between desistance & detransition.

To my understanding, detransitioning is to reverse medical transition while desisting is to stop identifying as trans. All desisters are detransitioners but not all detransitioners are desisters. I cited a source that detransition is rare.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (18 children)

Transgender can both describe men and women. There are trans men and there are trans women.

Hijra & kathoey are all the same sex, dumbass.

Wait, you only think some hijra & kathoey are transsexuals? Transsexual is a type of gay man, not a type of woman. There is no evidence to the contrary.

White-passing black people who "live as white people" aren't "living as white people" then? If you're gay, but you're "living as straight" are you straight? A woman living as a man is a woman living as a man, not an adult human male. Masculinity & femininity ae constructs, not "man" & "woman".

A regular-ass insult is not a "transphobic slur", since anyone can be a narcissist. Playing dumb makes you look stupid.

You: "I personally don't mind sexist erasure & appropriation of language" – irrelevant.

birth sex

Sex doesn't change. It started before birth & continues after birth & continues even beyond death. So the term "birth sex" is meaningless. What's the difference between a person's sex & their "birth sex"? What's Caitlyn Jenner's sex? Male. What's his "birth sex"? Male. What's the point of the "birth" part?

Being trans is not a subculture.

Het teenagers have made it into one, hence 2% of high-schoolers identifying as trans nowadays. While there don't seem to be any older women doing it.

This is proof that GCs don't believe in dysphoria.

Neither does the icd-11. You don't believe in it either, remember? You don't think being trans is a mental disorder, remember? While the DSM is on the fence about it.

Every study on desistance (not detransition) illustrates that the vast majority desist. Detransition is rare, but not as rare as suicide, the latter we're meant to be taking seriously for some reason, even though the rate isn't even known (since corpses only have a sex, not a preferred sex).

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago (17 children)

Wait, you only think some hijra & kathoey are transsexuals? Transsexual is a type of gay man, not a type of woman. There is no evidence to the contrary.

Transsexual can describe both women and men. Trans women who are attracted to men would by definition be straight women, and if they are attracted to other women they are lesbians. Trans men who are attracted to women are straight, and those who are attracted to other men they are gay men.

White-passing black people who "live as white people" aren't "living as white people" then? If you're gay, but you're "living as straight" are you straight? A woman living as a man is a woman living as a man, not an adult human male. Masculinity & femininity ae constructs, not "man" & "woman".

Trans men aren't women, so they would be men living as men not women living as men.

A regular-ass insult is not a "transphobic slur", since anyone can be a narcissist. Playing dumb makes you look stupid.

But GCs misuse the term narcissist for at least 75% of the trans population. Learn the criteria for NPD before throwing around that term.

Sex doesn't change. It started before birth & continues after birth & continues even beyond death. So the term "birth sex" is meaningless. What's the difference between a person's sex & their "birth sex"? What's Caitlyn Jenner's sex? Male. What's his "birth sex"? Male. What's the point of the "birth" part?

Birth sex is a more clearer term. Some sex characteristics (not all though) can be altered.

Het teenagers have made it into one, hence 2% of high-schoolers identifying as trans nowadays. While there don't seem to be any older women doing it.

Elliot Page and Buck Angel don't exist then?

Neither does the icd-11.

I don't care about the icd-11.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun - 2 years ago (16 children)

Your only defence is to be deliberately obtuse. A heterosexual man who identifies as a woman is by definition an autogynaephile. People who call the female ones transsexuals are trying to be inclusive. A transsexual, outside the paraphilia-ridden West, is a gay man.

Women are capable of doing all the same things men are capable of. A woman "living as a man" just means her role has changed to a masculine one. A man isn't a role. A man is an adult human male. Was Michael Jackson white, but "assigned black at birth"?

No, GCs don't misuse the word 'narcissist'. Have you ever listed to one of those male pretend-women? It's like, are you talking to me, or your reflection?

The term "birth sex" fools trans people into thinking there is a chance of changing it. The whole point of being transgender is that your sex & preferred-sex are mismatched. The terms "sex" vs. "preferred-sex" couldn't make it clearer. It's never about being clearer when it comes to trans terms, it's always about undermining sex as much as possible in order to affirm self-identification with a construct as supreme.

Transtrenderism describes a teenage sub-culture fuelled by trans identities, instead of star signs, or whatever. Statistical outliers are insignificant when talking about trends.

The icd-11 > your opinion. Gender dysphoria is an old, out-dated concept that is on its way out, which is why you still believe it's biologically determined, while GC knows that autogynaephiles aren't born that way, otherwise they'd exist outside the West.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun - 2 years ago (15 children)

Your only defence is to be deliberately obtuse. A heterosexual man who identifies as a woman is by definition an autogynaephile. People who call the female ones transsexuals are trying to be inclusive.

Most trans people are not autogynephilic and autoandrophilic, unless you're a die-hard Blanchardian.

A transsexual, outside the paraphilia-ridden West, is a gay man.

It's insulting to call gay men transsexual. Gay men are gay men.

Women are capable of doing all the same things men are capable of.

I never said they weren't.

A woman "living as a man" just means her role has changed to a masculine one.

I like things that are considered stereotypically male (i.e. handy-work). Am I "living as a man" now?

No, GCs don't misuse the word 'narcissist'. Have you ever listed to one of those male pretend-women? It's like, are you talking to me, or your reflection?

I have listened to actual trans women. Do you know what criteria for NPD is? Actual narcissists are very charming, and they use that charm to victimize others. They have a grandiose sense of self-importance and are preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love. Someone who just has an awful and selfish personality is not a narcissist. Paolo Macchiarini is an example of a narcissist. He's very charming, can't take criticism, needs attention and admiration, exaggerates his achievements and talents and is arrogant.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

Transtrenderism describes a teenage sub-culture fuelled by trans identities, instead of star signs, or whatever. Statistical outliers are insignificant when talking about trends.

Trans isn't a trend because by definition trends don't last long. If transgenderism was a trend, we wouldn't need gender critical.

[–]SnowAssMan 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (14 children)

The majority of male transsexuals are autogynaephiles (in the West). It's not just "Blanchardian", since the term can be found in the trans bible: the DSM-V. So there is a consensus on the typology.

It's insulting to call gay men transsexual. Gay men are gay men.

Homosexuals have a different name in every culture. You view them as women for some reason, which is more than merely insulting to both women & gay men, since any threat to their definitions threaten their rights. "Transsexual" is just the term that groups autogynaephiles & homosexuals with a feminine gender-role preference together.

I like things that are considered stereotypically male (i.e. handy-work). Am I "living as a man" now?

No, you've got to basically try to pass as a man in order to "live as a man". The act of living as a man doesn't turn a woman into a man though. Those women just wanted the freedom to do the kinds of things men could. They are basically in disguise. Identity crisis as a result would probably not be uncommon. Most people go through a mini-identity crisis during puberty & at the mid-life point.

So first narcissist was a "transphobic slur", now it's just misused term. So they are using a term you don't find 100% accurate. And?

Trans isn't a trend because by definition trends don't last long. If transgenderism was a trend, we wouldn't need gender critical.

Transtrenderism is a trend within the demographic that has a weakness for such things: teen girls. This is a trend as it is limited to a particular time & place. Autogynaephiles are limited to a particular place, while the homosexuals who adopt the gender role of the opposite sex are found all over the world & throughout history. That's one of the reasons we know the trans movement has the wrong interpretation.

Personally, I used to think that all these men who self-identified as women were women. But then I started listening to both sides more (more to the trans side). There is no evidence to support the ridiculous "TWAW" claim, but plenty of evidence against it. Figuring out that men who are men by both nature & nurture are men & not women, is not due to hatred. I only "hate" them as much as I hate any other relentlessly, dogmatic sexist homophobe who silences feminist discourse.

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