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[–]IWoreWhat 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

More questions for GC, because mods keep removing when I post:

Is sex determined by chromosomes or phenotype? Are people with CAIS male or female? Doesn't CAIS challenge binary sex?

People with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome have male chromosomes and a female phenotype.

What is their sex?

That requires an understanding of what determines sex in the first place. Is it chromosomes, or phenotype? If it's chromosomes, then people with CAIS are male, despite having female phenotype.

If it's phenotype, then people with CAIS are female, despite having male chromosomes.

If it's both chromosomes and phenotype, then people with CAIS are male and female at the same time.

Please let me know which one is true.

And also why CAIS does not challenge binary sex?

When people can have variations of primary sex organs, secondary sex organs and chromosomes (which they call intersex), sex becomes a spectrum?

Someone could have undeveloped female sex organs, but developed male sex organs. If sex is a binary, it would be really difficult to determine what their sex is when their sex organs are so mixed.

This person says intersex people are nonbinary, neither man, nor woman, no matter what gametes or genitals they have and are a third sex: https://imgur.com/MERbsgr

Intersex people are where I understand the concept of nonbinary (a third sex). Someone naturally has very atypical hormone levels leading to abnormal secondary sex characteristics, has ambiguous genitals, and appears genuinely androgynous due to an intersex condition? I can completely understand why they feel the most comfortable saying "I don't want to be called a man or a woman", despite what gametes they produce.

Intersex are not male nor female? Just because they think so?

I remember in the wikipedia article on sry + xx males there was mention of xx males that don't have the sry gene too (how are they males then?).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

It says that about 10% of XX males do not have sry.

If sex is a spectrum, intersex and regular people can be some of these things, 1) male, 2) female, 3) more female, less male, 4) more male, less female, 5) neither male nor female, 6) male and female at the same time.

And if sex is a spectrum because of the variation we see for primary sex organs and chromosomes, then if a man takes hormones, removes his sex organs, and a neovagina is implanted in him, he becomes 1) less male, more female, 2) less male, 3) neither male nor female, 4) male and female at the same time.

And if a woman takes hormones, removes her sex organs and a neopenis is implanted in her, she becomes 1) less female, more male, 2) less female, 3) neither male nor female, 4) male and female at the same time.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And last question - WHY this even matters at all? Why this extremely small percent of people born with health issues do matter to you so much that you want to dehumanize us? What the difference we will make? Only around 1% of people with DSD are identifying as trans or non-binary. Even if we were 3rd sex, that would change nothing, because we would not be 3rd sex, there 40 VERY different conditions (and sometimes they are combined), so there will be at least 42 sexes then. And each sex will be just 0.0009% or less of population, when males and females would be around 49-51%. Even if we were able to change sex at will - that would change nothing either, because only 1% of intersex people are identifying as transgender, and there already much more transgender people than all intersex people combined. At least 99.99993% of transgender or non-binary people are NOT intersex (as only around 0.00007% of transgender people are intersex in biggest estimate, in realistic 0.000035% or less)

In USA aproximately around 0.7% of population are trans or non-binary, this means that if you take all intersex people in the whole world - there still will not be enough to fill all transgender or non-binary people in USA alone. This means that overwhelming majority of transgender and non-binary people are unambigiously and completely male or female. Only one in 20 000 transgender people can be intersex.

So all this dehumanizing of our conditions and taking our extremely rare and painful condition as some kind of "gotcha" in every single discussion is just disingenious and stupid.

You'd better donate to DSD-Families charity instead, if you really care about us.

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[–]IWoreWhat 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

So now you're saying there are more than 2 sexes, 3 to 42 sexes. GCs keep contradicting themselves ...

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is not what she wrote...

You are lying about what other people said.

You did same yesterday about words of Collin, you did it few weeks ago about words of other people. You are misrepresenting people's words.