QT/Trans: Trans women say feminism and women's rights should include ALL women, and this means anyone who identifies as a woman. But 99% of women are cis. Why then do trans women not care about the history and rights of 99% of women?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

Gender identity is the personal conception of oneself as male, female, both or neither. I was born female, and love being female (except for periods). If I was born male, I would feel great distress and want to transition via hormones and surgery. The thought of me having a penis freaks me out. I'm sure trans women feel the same way, and trans men feel the same way for the opposite reasons.

[–]BiologyIsReal 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That still don't tell me what you think being female is. What does make someone female, male, both or neither? By the way, you may be surprised to hear that many "trans women" doesn't feel distressed because of their penises. Quite the contrary, actually, many of the are very fond of their penises. Have you ever hear about "girldick" and simmilar terms? Most "trans women" don't undergone genital surgery, in fact. Also, many of them don't have any problem to make references to their penises when sending rape threaths to dissenting women.

Some other relevant links:

https://terfisaslur.com/

https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

J. K. Rowling and the trans activists: a story in screenshots

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

If I was born male, I would feel great distress and want to transition via hormones and surgery.

Sorry, that kind of mental exercise is just silly. It's like saying, "If I were born in ancient China, or if I were born a gazelle, or if I were born in the year 3,500, if I were born with 100 legs..." Such imaginary scenarios might be fun (for some) to speculate about when stoned, perhaps, but they don't constitute grounds for trying to radically rearrange all of human society and impose all the authoritarian rules you want to put in place. Moreover, they provide zero insight in human psychology, self-concept formation, and the fact & implications of being one sex or the other. Fact is, you're not gonna wake up one day and find you were born male, coz it's a total impossibility, and you have no idea how you'd feel.

Funny thing is, even when humans do go through events that likely will happen to the majority of us in the course of our lifetimes - parent or both parents dying; having a serious health scare or disease; getting our heart broken; getting married; having a baby/becoming a parent; achieving some long-pursued goal that we've dreamt of for years - it's often the case that how we actually feel at the time is rather different to what we imagined beforehand.

The thought of me having a penis freaks me out. I'm sure trans women feel the same way, and trans men feel the same way.

Uh, most trans people are fine with their genitals. Fewer than 5% of males who identify as the opposite sex get genital surgery. Many love their dicks and balls, which is why they don't want to part with them. Many just rebrand their penises as as lady dicks and girl cocks.

[–]adungitit 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

So, how do the women who hate being female and who hate their bodies (of which there are a ton in our patriarchal society) fit into this? Are they trans? I have heard plenty of people say they wouldn't care if they were the opposite sex, and I'm one of those (and I would expect anyone who sees men and women as equals to say the same). Are we all trans? And how does just wanting to be something make you that in any relevant way? How does merely wishing to be something create actual experiences of a lifetime of what it's like to be and be treated as that something?

If I was born male, I would feel great distress and want to transition via hormones and surgery.

Except according to QT, there is nothing to transition to or from because the sexes aren't real, and male and female bodies/genitalia are only defined by how you perceive them. By merely seeing yourself as female, you and everything about your body would automatically be female. Your penis would be a clit, and your anus would now be a vagina. And why do you even think you'd feel distress? According to QT, you do not need gender dysphoria to be trans, and you certainly don't need to transition at all, most definitely not through surgery.

I'm wondering if you're genuinely unaware of this, or if it slipped out of you by accident.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You completely avoided answering the questions in the post, thought. What is common between them and us (whic is more common than between them and men), that we need to group them with us and not with men?