QT/Trans: Trans women say feminism and women's rights should include ALL women, and this means anyone who identifies as a woman. But 99% of women are cis. Why then do trans women not care about the history and rights of 99% of women?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

No, I don't think all non-English speakers should think the same, but apparently you do think so given what you have said. You're the one who want to change every language, including all the ones you don't speak to. Don't you think many non-English speakers would have a problem with this idea of getting rid of sex based words? Especially if the person proposing it neither speak their language nor live in their country?

You said "I'd prefer you leave us non-English speakers alone." Who is us? I am also a non-English speaker. I'm sure there are speakers of every language who want to get rid of gendered language, especially non-binary people, who are everywhere.

We're a sexually dismorphic species and sex matters a lot in things like health care, safeguarding, dating, making a family, sports, etcetera. That is why we have words that indicate sex and why is important to recolect data segregated by sex.

There are some areas where sex matters, bu

My former psychology professor told us when we meet someone the 1st thing we as is their gender, to apply stereotypes. For instance, on a parenting forum, an anonymous parent made a post about how they're an attorney and due to their busy work schedule they had no time to spend with their kid which made the kid upset. People kept asking the parent if they were the mother or the father, even though that was irrelevant to the discussion. They clearly wanted to apply stereotypes, that the mother should spend time with the child while it's OK for the father to have a busy work schedule. Same forum, parent posted how their teen didn't want to see their father and didn't like the father's new girlfriend. People kept asking for the gender of the teen, although that was irrelevant to the discussion. I support bringing up gender when it's relevant. You can say "this person at my church..." not "this woman at my church, who is 46, white with brunette hair and green eyes...". You can bring up characteristics when it's necessary.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

My former psychology professor told us when we meet someone the 1st thing we as is their gender, to apply stereotypes. For instance,

Was your psych professor speaking of when people meet IRL, on anonymously online? Whatever the answer, your professor mistakenly assumes everyone in the world is a genderist. But the fact is, lots of people don't try to scope out other people's gender when meeting for the first time - or later on - coz we don't agree with genderism and we don't go around imposing sexist sex stereotypes on everyone.

Do you and your psych professor assume everyone hurriedly tries to suss out the race, ethnicity, religious backgrounds, politics etc of others we encounter in life so that we can immediately start applying racist, ethnic, religious, political and other stereotypes to them as well?

Also, in the examples you gave, it seems like people were asking for the parent's sex in the first case, and for the child's sex in the second case. People might want to know this NOT coz "they clearly wanted to apply stereotypes" as you assume and assert, but because they might want to be able to inquire about & factor in which kind of sex stereotypes might be at play in the minds of the children in each case. Fact is, lots of parents who don't ascribe to or live according to sex stereotypes themselves, and who did not and do not fill their kids' heads with sex stereotypes at home, often still find that their children have learned many sex stereotypes from other kids, entertainment media and social media - and their kids use those sex stereotypes as the basis for forming expectations and judgments of their own parents and their parents' partners. Moreover, lots of kids with sexist ideas apply double standards to their own parents & parents' partners depending on the sex of the adults involved & of the kids too.

The sex of the parent in the first case and of the child in the second case are actually very relevant to the discussion.

Sounds like that psych prof of yours didn't teach much about psychosexual family dynamics.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You said "I'd prefer you leave us non-English speakers alone." Who is us? I am also a non-English speaker. I'm sure there are speakers of every language who want to get rid of gendered language, especially non-binary people, who are everywhere.

The us there was more to say I'm a non-native English speaker myself (and that is why I took issue with your comment) rather than to say I speak for every non-English speaker in the world. Also, although I didn't mentioned it before, I'm from and live in a non English speaking country, and that is another part why I disliked your idea of changing other languages as you'd like.

I don't doubt there are some pleople from non English speaking countries that would entertain your idea. The question is wheter are enough of them to make this change in their respectives language a reality. And my feeling is that very likely there aren't. At the end of the day, I think native speakers are the ones who should decide on any change on their languages.