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[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

No, it would not. It is pretty male-centric position and complete lack of understanding of females and our experiences, and our biology.

Supporting gamete type is not same as producing gametes.

That was more of a educational post anyways, so you can have some idea about us and our biology.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (26 children)

A gamete must be formed in order for determination of sex based on gamete type to be used.

[–]adungitit 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It doesn't. The reason you (and other mammals) have the sex that you have is because your body was developed to facilitate production of one of only two gamete types, much like how a gun was made to shoot bullets and it doesn't stop being a gun the moment you stop shooting it, or if it's empty, or if it malfunctions. Your logic would be like defining a gun as "only the weapon that is currently in the process of successfully shooting bullets" and then claiming that guns aren't real.

The fact that gametes aren't produced 24/7 does not make the sexes stop existing, because the sexes never were defined according to this ability. Science has accounted for this, which is why male and female children or infertile or dead people are still male or female even if they aren't producing gametes: they have their anatomy in the first place because mammalian biology first needs a body specifically developed to produce one type of gamete before we can even talk about a gamete actually being produced. This is why humans have been able to successfully reproduce with each other for millions of years: You don't need to see someone's DNA or chromosomes to know whether they are human and whether they are male or female, that much is obvious just from looking at their body.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Biologists came up the idea of defining of sex based on whether one's anatomy is meant to support either male or female gametes because it applies to all sexually-reproducing plants and animals. It's the simplest criterion for sex, one that can be applied across the board to all the diverse species that reproduce sexually, and allows for the fact that there is great variation in the exact ways sexually reproducing plant and animal species reproduce.

But that doesn't mean gametes or potential (future or past) for gametes constitutes the only fundamental criteria for defining sex in all species. In humans, the primary sex characteristics include more than the organs where gametes come from (the ovaries and testes).

This is especially true for female humans, because we conceive, carry and grow gestating offspring inside our bodies, birth them when they are already well advanced in development, then (can) breastfeed them. As opposed to, say, female birds that lay their eggs after they've been fertilized internally so their offspring do much of their development outside their mothers' bodies. Or as opposed to female fish who lay their eggs unfertilized, then the males fertilize them afterwards. And as is different to female marsupials, who conceive & gestate their offspring inside organs within their abdominal cavities, and give birth to them when they are very young and still hardly developed, then keep & suckle them in pouches on their bellies for the rest of their development.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A gamete must be formed in order for determination of sex based on gamete type to be used.

But how exactly does gamete formation occur? You seem to have no idea about what happens during the various stages of oogenesis and how oogenesis differs from spermatogenesis.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/oogenesis-how-the-female-reproductive-system-produces-eggs.html

https://youtu.be/hKa57JPfKDE

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I mean its been a while since freshman bio so I don’t remember the specifics of either, but the differences are immaterial in this discussion. The point was that if you’re going to determine sex by the gametes an individual has at any time had, then those individuals must actually have had gametes at some point, or else they’d be classified as sexless.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if you’re going to determine sex by the gametes an individual has at any time had, then those individuals must actually have had gametes at some point, or else they’d be classified as sexless.

But you're deliberately misrepresenting the definition. Sex isn't determined by "the gametes an individual has at any time," it's based on having physically developed early in life along the pathway meant to result in individuals having the potential capacity to produce or release one of the other of the two gamete types - ova or sperm - at a later point in life. In the case of humans, this potential capacity is alway time-limited to the phase in life that starts with/comes after puberty. For human females, the potential capacity is further limited to the approximately 40 years between menarche and menopause, and to the specific moment in every 28-day (on average) cycle when ovulation occurs.

In humans, whether an individual has the gonads meant to and capable producing one or the other type of gamete is not the sole determinant of sex. Sex in humans is determined by other primary sex characteristics, such as chromosomes and the presence or absence of other organs.

You know all this, of course. Just spelling it out for others.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

It is formed once by our mothers, when they are pregnant with us. So only women pregnant with girls are producing ovums. And only once during that pregnancy.

[–]adungitit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are explaining that their understanding of gametes is faulty and they're interpreting everything you say as "Since gametes don't work that way, it means that gametes and their relation to sex cannot be understood".

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their side just have very male-centric understanding of gametes, from a perspective of a male body. While for women/females what I am speaking is pretty clear and understandable and obvious. We are taking this for granted, forgetting that culture is very male-centric and mostly promoting male sexual reproduction, while shaming female's natural cycles and trying to hide them. So we should not forget that males (and sometimes even females) have no idea about our realities and trying to judge us based on how they would judge themselves or other males. That's why so much misunderstoonding, they are ignoring fact that our body works differently to theirs, and that we have different experience because of that.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

Yes?

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Yes.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

So again they must be produced.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Are you trolling or something? You are completely ignoring female biology. Like you don't even want to know about women at all.

As I said, they are made by mother in body of a girl she is pregnant with, and that is done only once during pregnancy. So only women who are pregnant with girls ever producing any at all.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

Yes I know? How does that change anything?

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

What exactly?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

You say Im ignoring “female biology” and Im asking you how?