For QT: Why is gender identity different than religion in social protocols?

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[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

Are you serious? Okay...

Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods

Gender Identity: an individuals notion of their gender group orientation/membership.

These things are different and refer to different things. Even if GI doesn’t biologically exist, that wouldn’t qualify it as a religion anymore than subscribing to a magazine would qualify as a religion.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You seem to be misreading / missing the question and the emphasis that it is about social protocols around people with religious identities vs people with gender identities?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Oh, then thats all social protocols. They’re all subjective and enforced on people.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, then thats all social protocols. They’re all subjective and enforced on people.

But social protocols are not all enforced on people to the same extent with the same measures, and particularly not across all cultures and over time.

In many countries today, it's fine to insult the heads of state of that nation and other nations. But in other countries, it's a criminal offense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9

Social protocols around religion vary considerably even in the countries of the secular West. In the West, you can insult Jesus, Moses and "god himself" without negative repercussions. Even Christians frequently "take the name of god in vain" by using common phrases such as "Good lord," "god damn," "Jesus, Mary and Joseph," and "Jesus fucking Christ." But draw a picture of Mohammed, insult the Koran, or depict Islam in what some Muslims consider a negative light, and even in "progressive" and plural places like France, the Netherlands and the UK, you're likely to get shot dead, stabbed to death or beheaded for it.

The social protocols in force in much of the Western world today say it's perfectly acceptable for trans-identified males to call women "cxnts," "bxtches," "menstruators" and "vagina havers," and it's fine for them to tell us to "choke to death" on "girl cock" and "lady dick" and to threaten us with rape, but it's completely unacceptable - indeed, it's hateful and violent - for women to call them men or males, to mention their former names, to point out that they have dicks and balls, and that their behavior is misogynistic and comes off as "stereotypically male." Which puts the lie to the claim that social protocols are all enforced on people in exactly the same to the same extent.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

I believe that by and large both situations would be seen as unacceptable. There is far more negativity coming from the anti-trans side especially with the right wing surging and the alliances between them and some prominent gender crits.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But trans activists and their allies concentrate their abuse on women - particularly women who have historically been left wing, at the vanguard of "progressivism" and who've long advocated tolerance for everyone, and do not commit or promote physical violence. Such as JK Rowling. They don't go after right wing men the way they go after liberal women. Moreover, TRAs blame women who've never threatened, called for or committed a single act of violence against trans people (or anyone else) for the violence some trans have experienced, even though it's all committed by men.

Finally, trans activists and other genderists have been behaving in extremely abusive ways towards feminists for many, many years - decades even. Their abusiveness towards feminists and other women who don't agree that men can become women became standard practice long before some feminists participated in any "hands across the aisle" activities with women and some men on the right.

The TRA now known as Dana Rivers killed Patricia Wright and Charlotte Reed, a married lesbian couple, and Toto Diambu (known as Benny Diambu-Wright), their 19-year-old son, in 2016, well before some feminists appeared on or attended a panel at the Heritage Foundation. Previously, Rivers had been active in “Camp Trans,” a many-years long campaign of male TRAs against the rights of lesbians to hold the women-only annual festival called “Michfest” on private land. The TRAs succeeded in getting Michfest shut down in 2015. The women Rivers murdered were regular attendees at Michfest.

TRAs' concerted campaign of IRL & online abuse, harassment, stalking & doxxing of women like Cathy Brennan & Elizabeth Hungerford has been going on since at least 2011.