For QT: Why is gender identity different than religion in social protocols?

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[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

OK but that's still quite general in regard to gender or feminism.

Obviously I understand liberal and feminism can mean different things. I'd see you cannot identify as a liberal feminist because of it's common relationship to trans politics.

But why not radical feminist?

How essentialist are you?

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Uh probably not very essentialist, but what does essential mean to you? I'm also not really much of a radical. I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.... I believe myself to follow the values of liberalism, probably with a leftist bent. I don't see why I couldn't be a liberal feminist, which I would consider different than a "Libfem," or I suppose "Liberal Feminist." I don't reject a label just because others use it poorly or incoherently. I'm just not sure if there's a definition of feminism that is meaningful and relatable enough to attach to myself. I don't really see the point or purpose.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Uh probably not very essentialist, but what does essential mean to you?

Anything from very bad essentialism, "man hunts" "woman cooks" to some very mild things, "men and women have slightly different behavioural biases on a couple traits."

Usually connected to evolutionary ideas which are unpopular in progressive circles.

A classic essentialist behaviour is criminality. Men appear far more criminal than women. Across all cultures. Some might say it's a product of dimorphism but I think it seems more basic.

Neither sex wants to "own" that but it might be directly correlated with other behaviours with more positive reputations, such as risk taking.

Is the trans element the only aspect of "liberal feminism" you object to? I think the other topics would be "sex positivity," porn, bdsm, sex work, gay rights. I'd say radical feminism would object to marriage and most gender norms.

We do probably need better political labels.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I mean I believe humans are sexually dimorphic, just like literally every other mammal... and that's going to.. show up in places and ways... useful in considering societal policies, but not really on an individual level... So like, sexed changing rooms are fine because while any given man is not necc A Jerk, the frequency of men who are jerks to women is much higher than women who are jerks to men (and other women), plus average man is bigger stronger than average woman. Like sure there may be a woman who is bigger and stronger than randomly selected man, but probably not.

Is that essentialist?

Re LibFem, I just don't see the value in really digging into the label either which way.... I'm not really an ideologue... I suppose you could call liberalism an ideology, though it's.... hard to really squeeze into that, it's more of a value, for a pluralistic society.