QT: Do you understand why women need single sex spaces?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Well, that is interesting... Though 4 is a low number compared all the Californian males who identifies as trans hoping to be place with the women. Though is hard to make a proper comparison because there are fewer females in prison. It would be interesting to know which proportion of "trans men" requested to be placed according to ther "gender identity" and which proportion of "trans women" did likewise. Then again, Californian women's prison won't be safes for females, regardless of how they identify, if trans identified males start being sent there.

I think the same source said 13 trans women requested to be transferred to women's prisons but I'm not sure the exact number. Also, isn't the term "trans identified males" not allowed?

As for the ACLU, it's obvious they don't want this information to be made public because most people woulnd't agree with this policy.

Most people in the US are not gender critical. Also, cis women are less likely to be gender critical than cis men.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the same source said 13 trans women requested to be transferred to women's prisons but I'm not sure the exact number.

Just 13? This news article suggests there are hundres of request from transgender inmates.

Also, isn't the term "trans identified males" not allowed?

I just changed it. Grixit said he would allow this term (but not the acronym), though the new rules hasn't been officialized yet.

Most people in the US are not gender critical. Also, cis women are less likely to be gender critical than cis men.

Most people in the US are likely not aware of what activists actually mean by trans rights. American liberal media takes a great effort to ofuscate the issue. For instance, they often talk about how Republicans want to ban trans identified athletes from sports, when actually they are being asked to compete according to their biological sex. The article from the LA Times that I linked above dismiss female inmates's worries as transphobia or propaganda.

This is by design. The activists that are changing laws worlwide know how umpopular their aims are and that is why they work behind the backstage. Here are two articles talking about transactivists secretism in the UK:

The document that reveals the remarkable tactics of trans lobbyists

Revealed: the secret trans-rights lobbying operation in parliament

Something similar happened in my country. When transactivists lobbied for making self-ID possible, they were clever enough not to make a big deal of access to sex seggregated spaces. They focused on the concept of identity and how this law, supposedly, wouldn't affect anyone else. Just an change in their documents that would make their lives more easy, they say. However, although the gender identity law of 2012 says nothing about sex seggregated spaces, it has been used to priorititise "gender identity" over sex. Because it turns out if you are legally a "woman" or a "man" you should be treated as such by the law.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Most people in the US are likely not aware of what activists actually mean by trans rights. American liberal media takes a great effort to ofuscate the issue. For instance, they often talk about how Republicans want to ban trans identified athletes from sports, when actually they are being asked to compete according to their biological sex.

Most people know the sports thing is about trans women being made to compete with men. Most of us are not stupid.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say they were stupid. I said they were misinformed, which is different. Anyway, the sports seems to have exploded recently there, so problaby many people are waking up about what is happening. This poll from WoLF suggests trans activists' aims are not popular with Americans. If you think WoLF is biased, here is another poll, made by Politico, that shows that Republican laws regarding trans athletes have wide support.