QT: Do you understand why women need single sex spaces?

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[–]BiologyIsReal 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

Look, we can't prevent everything

Do you tell the same to trans males who complain about transphobia?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

When trans men complain about transphobia, or when women complain about harassment, I listen with sympathy and try to change policy. If trans men didn't want to get a job because they feared transphobia, I would tell them we can't prevent everything though what matters is the company's reaction to the transphobia.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Wait... you listen to women complain about harassment and try to change policy, but advocate for removing their safe spaces? Safe spaces that do a lot to prevent harassment? Do you listen when they say they want female only spaces? Why just harassment? This is confusing. It’s like you’re saying you’ll make it easier for them to get harassed and even violated, but at least you’ll listen to them when they need to talk about it. It’s not a good look.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Rape is inevitable so don’t safeguard, just comfort yourself as much as possible knowing you didn’t hurt anyone’s feelings and prosecute them later. Prosecution is incredibly unlikely? Oh well safeguards are still bad.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Im gonna put ya in danger, and when you inevitably get hurt it’s highly likely that your assailant will get away with it, but if you need to talk about it, I’ll lend an ear (still gonna have to share that bathroom with him tho, sry lol) 💕

That’s another thing- gb said they got assaulted by girls and then had to worry about it happening again, but doesn’t seem to care that now any woman who has been sexually assaulted would have no choice but to be fearful every single time they used any public bathroom or changing room. I don’t understand how you can experience violation and know the fear of knowing you could encounter it again, but be so willing to put others in that position.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cause gb was assaulted by evil cis’ and doesn’t give a shit about the experiences of other women, only her own trauma. Other women can just sit down and smile like good girls and pray they can afford to press charges and get therapy after an assault.

There’s no way to prevent this because crime stats are less important than gbs experience. Either she’s unwilling or unable to put aside her emotions and think about how others might be harmed. Scary that this emotional block is so common.

[–]BiologyIsReal 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She seems to think females and males are equally dangerous and sex seggregated spaces don't deter predators. Honestly, I think some women just take the safeguarding provided for such spaces for granted.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

we can't prevent everything though what matters is the company's reaction to the transphobia.

You're equating the value ("what matters") of a company's administrative response to workplace transphobia with authorities' response to male violence against women in a unisex bathroom or changing room?

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant males who identify as trans, i.e those who you call "trans women". Do you tell them the same? And if so, how do they take this advice?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I'd be the same towards trans women as well.