GC & QT: What are your views?

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    [–]BiologyIsReal[M] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    Remove the part accusing GC of killing trans people because of our positions, Heimdekledi. It was agreed that such kind of accusations without proof will be against the rules.

    [–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (18 children)

    Well then Ill provide proof:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.caller.com/amp/5023055001

    [–]AlexisK 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (15 children)

    Is this a joke?

    There was one guy, who threatened to do suicide if me and my girlfriend refused to have sex with him. After that next day he attempted suicide and almost died, but was saved by doctors.

    So by not having threesome on his demand I was murdering him? Suicide threats is one of common tactics of abusers and of coercive control over women in abusive relationships.

    Anyways, about your link - how exactly "doing sports with your sex group" is "murdering" that person? Why doing sports with opposite sex is saving life, but doing the very same sports with your sex is murdering that person? And with your aim to abolish gender and making it unisex - what the difference then, in both cases person will play with their sex in the end?

    [–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (14 children)

    The situations are not comparable. You can’t be expected to have sex with someone at their whim, but you can be expected not to interfere in something which causes no harm to cis women and girls.

    [–]AlexisK 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

    Pretty comparable situations: "You all do as I want, even if you don't like it, or I will kill myself (or someone else)".

    which causes no harm

    Taking away scholarships from girls of color or girls in poverty is not "no harm".

    Hubbard, 42 years old white millionaire, who was previously men's weightlifter, transitioned and easily with big margin won first place in OCE competition in weightlifting, this took away scholarship and chances for better education from 19-20 years old woman of color.

    This is an actual harm.

    [–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

    Taking away scholarships from girls of color or girls in poverty is not "no harm".

    The winner of the scholarship will always do this to someone. The winner being a poor trans girl of color does nothing but alter who the first runner up will be. I more interested in getting rid of sports scholarships (which are hugely unfair no matter who wins) and introducing free public colleges.

    So therefore there was no harm done that wasn’t already present if a trans girl happens to win a scholarship.

    [–]AlexisK 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

    The winner of the scholarship will always do this to someone

    So lets make all sports unisex, right? Women and girls do not deserve fair competition, do not deserve being in top 5000. Someone will always lose anyways, so why even bother to give fair chances to women?

    Poor transgirl of color can try hard and win male competition. While poor girl of color can try hard and still lose to just average transgirl.

    It is not fair. If chances are not equal, if there no chances at all - regardless of how you try - then it is not even remotely fair.

    [–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

    No sports are fair, but including trans girls does not make it more unfair

    [–]AlexisK 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

    It makes it much more unfair for "girls born female". It makes it impossible in any serious competition for "people born female" to win at all. It makes it much more dangerous for "people born female" in close contact sports like Rugby or boxing.

    You know that CeCe Telfer only improved their time after transition? So CeCe could still compete against men with no issues. CeCe was 200th in men's category with CeCe's best time, and then CeCe only improved time, so could be maybe 150th now, and not 1st in women's category, while being 8-10% faster than second girl in same category. And 9-12% time difference is exactly time difference between best men and women in respective categories. In running male and female world records are around that difference too.

    So yes, it is making it much more unfair for "girls born female". It makes it almost meaningless to even try to compete for "girls born female", as there would not be even a chance to win - regardless how hard they try.

    [–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That is your proof? You're being disingenous here. Nobody is preventing trans identified people to play sports. They are just being asked to compete according to their sex because is sex, not "gender identity", what matters in sports. If you don't think that males have an athletic advantage over females, then tell me where are all the females who identify as trans winning against males in sports?

    [–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

    You mean trans male athletes? They’re here

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insidehook.com/article/sports/trans-athletes-win-boys-sports/amp