QT: Where are the “trans men” athletes winning against men?

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[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I felt the same about DSD in general, but the whole Semenya saga and the "hyperandrogenism" was a joke from the let's go. It's been a while since I learn from him, but I think at the beginning the Media said he was a woman with adrenal hyperplasia (or maybe I just assumed the adrenal hyperplasia thing because that made more sense than the reality, really). Though, the instant I saw a picture of him I knew something was off.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm pretty up on the Semenya story, but I don't recall Semenya being portrayed as having CAH, a condition (or rather two conditions) I think most of the press over the course of Semenya's career have been too stupid to understand or portray. The media have usually portrayed Semenya as a "woman with hyperandrogenism" or a "woman with naturally high levels of testosterone" for some mysterious, nameless reason no one knows & no one understands.

Pictures of Semenya made you think something was off? You bigot! Here's a vid of Semenya when Semenya was on T suppressing drugs. I've never seen someone so clearly female displaying all the hallmarks of having been raised & socialized female, such as the ladylike way Caster sits & the bashful way Caster avoids bragging. Semenya even proves Semenya's libfeminist credentials by dissing female people, calling us "boring" & "weak" https://youtu.be/Hvg50P4FwTk

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Semenya has 5ard, not CAH. Males with CAH would look perfectly male, maybe shorter. Females with CAH can look more masculine, our testosterone levels are lower than ones of transmen, but often slighltly higher than norm, and we still can get pregnant, etc.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes the court documents show that Semenya has 5-ARD. Significantly, though 5-ARD occurs in both males & females, it only affects sex development in males. Most females with 5-ARD will go their whole lives unaware they have it, because it seems to have no affect on females in any way. Which just goes to show that the claim that Semenya is "a female athlete with a DSD" is a total crock; Semenya has a DSD that only males can have. The condition itself confirms that Semenya is male. Apart from the appearance of their genitals, & absence of facial & body hair, males with 5-ARD are otherwise unaffected & have good health. Since their testes produce normal sperm, some have fathered children - though usually after medical intervention or with some assistance.