Rules change, so far

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[–]Greensquidsphone 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

It's clear you're using them negatively though. You know for a fact sexless pronouns work fine, you just don't want to use them out of... Spite? No term has negative connotations. Language is applied and not static. Obviously you care particularly strongly about this though house, since, insofar as I can tell, the removal of that rule protects literally just you.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

No, I’m using it factually. It’s neutral. There’s no judgement of the person in the word man.

It refers to nothing but sex. The rest is all coming from the reader.

I didn’t make the rule. You’re free to request it be changed.

[–]Greensquidsphone 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

And again language is not a static thing. Context is important, House. It doesn't really matter though, if a mostly echo-chamber space on an off brand alt-right website becomes a full on echo chamber, more power to you, you guys need more of them.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

We're here because most plataforms on internet don't allow any wrong think, particularly as transgender issues are concerned. Any slight doubt about the official narrative are heavily punished, especially if the offender is a woman. Transactivists also strongly discourage its follower to read what the others sides have to say. "No debate" is literally one of its slogans. So, I find it curious you're complaining this sub of being mostly a echo chamber.

[–]Greensquidsphone 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

So, I find it curious you're complaining this sub of being mostly a echo chamber.

Is it not? I mean, by raw metrics the gc to qt poster ratio is at least 6 to 1, and even gc posters are posting in this thread saying these new rules skew it GC.

Transactivists also strongly discourage its follower to read what the others sides have to say. "No debate" is literally one of its slogans.

Are you joking? I've never known a trans person who doesn't read bad gc takes for fun. I don't really know trender types, so maybe you and I are thinking of very different groups, but that's what it is I guess.

We're here because most plataforms on internet don't allow any wrong think, particularly as transgender issues are concerned

Then be more advertiser friendly? Idk that's all big platforms care about so if they see you as a hate group I really don't know how to help you with that. At least on reddit plenty of spaces still exist to hate on trans people in a less mask-off fashion.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I do agree most regular users of this sub are GC, but that is because many QT supporters are NOT interested in having a debate.

Big Tech only care about profit, not morality, just like any other big company. The fact they claim to care about social issues is pure marketing. However, it seems not all social issues are seen as marrketable. For instance, big plataforms often turn a blind eye to the many rape threats that women receive in them, especially if said threats are sent by transactivists. Big Tech is also very pro-pornography despite all the abuse perpetrated in the industry and all the blatant misoginy and racism promoted by porn. They are also very pro-prostitution despite this being basically paid rape. Also, like the latest reddit drama has showed us, they also doesn't seem to be too bothered, if at all, by pedos and their enablers. So, I don't really trust their judgement about what a hate group is.

[–]Greensquidsphone 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

I do agree most regular users of this sub are GC, but that is because many QT supporters are NOT interested in having a debate.

I'm glad you've rationalized it that way, it couldn't possibly be anything else, your conclusion is definitely the right one.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Add an "I think" or an "in my opinion" in the middle of the phrase if you like it more. Though, honestly, I don't see how this is a controversial view when I've seen countles of QT supporters literally saying "shut up" to anyone expressing the mildest criticism. To say nothing of all those who jump straight to death and rape threats. And what about all the users who have been banned from platafforms like twitter, reddit, etc from saying the wrong think? And what about reddit banning the gender critical, GCdebatesQT, LGBdroptheT, superstraight and several others for "wrongthinking"? And what about Medium u others banning articles or users that are critical of transgenderism? And what about people being fired, doxed, smeared or harrased IRL over this stuff? And what about things like the hashtag #RIP JKR? And what about all the people I've seen saying you should not read JKR's essay because she makes "transphobic" stuff sound as too reasonable? And what about all the people who have been accused of wrongthinking because they follow or retwitted the "wrong" people? And what about some transactivists literally burning books? There is even English proffessor at Bekerley who have advocated stealing and burning books, didn't you know? And what about the "hate speach" laws transactivists would like to pass in many countries? And what about the fact transactivists want to ban any therapy that is not affirming of a transgender identity? And what about compelling speach like mandating people to use prefered pronouns? There is even a law firm, Dentons or something like that, that have adviced transactivists to work behind the scene and not let the general public know what they advocate for.

I'm sorry, but I don't know how to interpret this as anything but QT supporters don't wanting to debate this stuff. But if you have another explanation, I'd like to hear it. If you want receipts about what I'm saying, I cand post a lot of links to prove it.

[–]Greensquidsphone 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

You... Realize you guys aren't the only group attacking a minority group to be removed from these spaces, right? Like I get you think it's different because in your eyes you're morally above-ground but from the outside everyone sees you as another hate group.

I've seen countless gc people on Twitter block trans people who post hard medical data supporting transition, call out bad faith posts, etc. You personal anecdote of seeing the transes saying "shut up" is an anecdote, as in irrelevant.

I'm sure you can give me countless screenshots of trans people sending rape and death threats. I can send countless screenshots of radfems encouraging suicide in sms. Neither is indicative of the group as a whole.

Reddit also banned a lot of alt right subs and other hate groups. The fact that hate groups aren't advertiser friendly but porn is sucks but that's life you know. I'm all for the destruction of capitalism, hit me up.

Oh noooo people are being fired for being vocal about their hatred the humanity. Trans people get fired for being trans. If I got found out at my work id be fired on the spot, so yeah, sorry, really hard to care.

Does jkr sound reasonable? I've never seen anyone say don't read her stuff, again that's not my crowd so take it with a grain of salt but it's transparently using the exact same gc rhetoric we've been conditioned to spot from a mile away, it's nothing special.

I mean your issue is that the world disapproves of your "wrongthink" but I'm sure you're perfectly happy with the censoring of other's wrong thinking. I literally can't help you with that, and the conversation is irrelevant and extremely off topic and your opinions won't ever change so I'm ending the conversation. You're more than welcome to respond again, but I'm not going to keep it going.

[–]BiologyIsReal 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So, your answer to me saying this shows QT doesn't want to debate is basically "but, you're a hate group!"? Just because you think the QT position of "no debate" is justified, doesn't change the fact many QT supporters doesn't want to debate transgender stuff, you know?

By all means, show me the receipt of GC encouraging suicide. I'd like to see actual proof of this for once. I'd happily debate you or anyone else over the "hard data" supporting "transition", though not now, as this is way too off-topic.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You... Realize you guys aren't the only group attacking a minority group to be removed from these spaces, right?

I feel like you don’t understand the bans at all. R/Truelesbians, a space that existed for females exclusively attracted to other females, was banned. R/PCOS and other women’s health subs were banned or had their moderation changed if they weren’t seen as sufficiently inclusive even though only one group of people has to deal with these issues. R/GCDebatesQT was a trans inclusive place, but we were banned for wrongthink even after we went private and invite only. Reddit has made it super clear they hate women. Men’s health subs, gay male subs, and men’s porn subs are allowed to have boundaries, but women’s are not. Rape porn subs and subs about degrading women are allowed to stay up. Porn subs are even allowed to exclude transwomen from women for their allowed content. Reddit does not support women having boundaries or even trans people who don’t agree with their ideology.