QT: Do you support free speech?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I’m saying sex and biology are facts. Proven facts. You rejecting or being unable to accept that proof doesn’t negate the existence of the proof. Racist stereotypes and hatred for other races based on assumptions or generalizations aren’t facts so what you’re saying doesn’t really work. There’s a difference between someone saying “all black people are violent and lazy” and someone saying “women are biologically female” If someone said “women are biologically female so kill all males who claim to be women” you’d have a point- but that’s not what (most) people are saying, the people who do actually threaten violence should be reprimanded- not for acknowledging that males can’t be women, but for advocating violence against those males. you’re equating stating biological truths with hate speech and that’s just nonsensical

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Except they aren’t biological truths but merely systems of subjective classification that are outdated at this point as the sex spectrum model far describes things in a far more neutral and stronger unbiased way.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

So how are babies made? Or do you mean categorising the sexes of a sexually reproducing species is biological truth?

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Babies are a social construct.... DUH!!!!!!

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Biologists agree it’s a stork flying babies into a cabbage patch

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Stop Pinocchio erasure. Also, the Power Puff Girls were made with sugar and spice, everything nice, and oops! CHEMICAL X

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I thought sugar spice and CHEMICAL X were what happened in utero to give boys lady brains. Pinocchio deserves to be cancelled for his problematic ideas about real boys. He’s a bit of a terp. (Trans exclusive radical puppets)

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Omfg I just noticed your flair! Perfect.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It took a lot to replace ‘feminism is for whales but not women’ QT make some top notch flairs.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That just not true, "sex spectrum" model solves nothing and just othering intersex people like myself, and hurting intersex youth. Sex spectrum is saying that I am less female and more male or that I am "other, third sex". There only 0.2% of intersex people and only around 1-1.5% of intersex people are trans, so "sex is a spectrum" does not help to transgender people at all (as almost all of them are unambigiously male or female - both physiologically and raised socially as such), but hurts intersex people a lot.

Binary sex is much better, because it is saying that every variation is equally valid, that I am same female as any other female, not "less on spectrum scale". Plus - why use for humans different scale and classification than to every other creature on Earth? Humans being special and above nature sounds like religious belief, tbh.

Second reason why "spectrum" is not solving anything, is because in every single case where sex matters - matters real sex and not "where on scale" it is and not "what gender you are". With my condition (SW CAH), after I was born, if I don't receive correct male or female treatment (they different) - I would die. And later in life I need to receive special treatment based on my sex, or I will get sick and die. And complications are different for each sex, so doctors must know what to expect as well (like I got "Secondary PCOS" - not sure why it called like this in English, and I need to take birth control pills to normalize hormonal levels and periods, but males would have different complicationsm like low fertility sperm, etc, and they will need to take different medicine). For transgender people sex matters a lot, because majority of health issues and treatment they must receive are sex based as well (as even with body alterations, majority of their bodies are still works as their birth sex, not as their prefered gender). And not aknowledging it can be deadly, I know one transwoman died by insisting on receiving same treatment as females, and there a bunch of cases when transmen risked their lives by writing their sex as "male" - as example here. Division by sex is very important in healthcare, sports, safeguarding, safe spaces, some statistics, feminism, shelters, parental rights and some other topics. And "spectrum" not works in any of those situations, because "less male on spectrum" is still male and have typical male body structure and parts where it matters, even if some other parts of their body are a-typical.

In every single other situation sex (and gender) should not matter AT ALL, because if it matters - it is called sexism. Treatment of issues and of people should be the very same regardles of their sex (or gender) everywhere but in few topics named above, where sex matters.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Says 1% lol. You can’t prove what you claim. You’ve never been able to prove what you claim. So I don’t think that people should be forced to go along with pseudoscience that can’t be proven. There’s more evidence to back up gc claims than there is to back up yours. If trans people and their allies can spread obvious falsehoods for the sake of gender identity and not be reprimanded, people who speak facts shouldn’t be either.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can’t claim something is outdated of it still works for everyone. Trans people exist because of the very thing you call outdated. People who call themselves non binary but happen to be parents became parents through the very thing you call outdated. If a trans person is able to become a parent (be it biologically, through adoption, or through those weird transplant surgeries you all tell yourself will one day work) it will be due to the very thing you call outdated. Even the intersex conditions you’re exploiting- those people were born because of the binary that exists! You exist, and are able to type things and call things outdated because of the very thing you call outdated. The binary that exists it what so many trans people based their fucking sense of identity on, for fucks sake. Literally humans and existence- even for none humans, depends on the very thing you call outdated. You don’t make sense. You never make sense. You can never prove or back up anything, it’s like you think if you just keep saying the same shit over and over again it will somehow be true- but the only reason you’re even here to say it over and over again is because it’s NOT true