QT: Do you support free speech?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Do you think that recognising that a woman is an adult human female is the same thing as believing that white people are a superior race?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This. That’s what I was about to say. They aren’t the same at all.

Eta- I’m guessing the people who think it’s should be okay to be known as a racist are not poc

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are they actually that comfy around racism or is it a really bad attempt to compare apples and terfs, hoping that people will think gender critical thinking is somehow the same as it equally repugnant as being racist?

Idk which it is but it stinks.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think it’s both. I think for gc, many non POC are comfortable around racists- it’s often their own family. They can excuse racism that’s only spoken (as far as they know) because it doesn’t effect them and many are unaware of their own racist views. And I think for qt they’re desperate to link or equate “terfs” with racism or a specific group despite ample evidence that “terfs” come in all races, religions, economic backgrounds and sexualities.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dang I’ve gotta take a minute and think about the racism in my own family now.

You’re right about the qt approach. They seem to want to attach to any disadvantaged social group they can. I guess that’s how we end up with those grotty tweets saying ~if black women are women so are transwomen~.

It’s odd that there’s such an insistence that gc/radfem is a white thing, when QT transwomen are largely represented by middle class white men.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don’t mean to imply that all white people have some racism in them or are willing to accept racism in others. I know first hand that that’s not the case.

I think it’s funny that qt is so largely represented by white men but they complain so much about “cis white” men and women and assume that everyone who disagrees with them is a “cis” white person

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh no you didn’t imply that. I really do have racists in the family and it’s nearly Easter. Gonna be happening at dinner.

It’s middle and upper class white women ruining their lives, according to middle and upper class white men who claim to be women. The mental gymnastics that must be involved in missing something so obvious would be glorious to see firsthand.

[–]grixitperson 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No, but both are private thoughts, which are different from actions.