QT: Do you support free speech?

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[–]panorama 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I do think a racist should lose their job if it gets out that they are a racist.

May I ask you why you think this? (deleted irrelevant TMI) Edit. I'm not trying to derail conversation, I just wonder why lovesloane has the opinion expressed to consider in addition to any further contributions on this post by the user. Nevermind

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Racism is racism. The entire race wasn’t responsible for what happened to this man. The people who caused him harm, and only those people, were. This is incredibly ignorant but I hope it made you feel good to type out lol

There are no facts to back up racism. And an open or outed racist can cause discomfort in a work place. Someone who understands biology isn’t the same as a racist. What’s intolerant and judgy is blaming an entire race for one group’s behavior. All people of one race aren’t the same and don’t behave the same. Whoever you’re talking about is ignorant and racist as fuck and likely was well before anything happened- if anything indeed did happen.

Eta- for clarity, I responded to something that has since been deleted. What’s crossed out above was not the full text I responded to

[–]grixitperson 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Disagree. Being a racist is one thing and yes, people should not be fired for their thoughts and opinions. Acting on racism to hurt someone should be penalized just as hurting someone for other reasons should be. I do not believe there should be thoughtcrime.

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Racist views work directly against people who aren't white, though. A racist is going to get in the way of these people being able to work and be treated normally, and further a racist and hostile environment. The severe damage of racism does not disappear just because the racist won't lynch a person.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So it's OK to fire someone for racist speech but not transphobic speech?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is ‘woman means adult human female’ transphobic? It doesn’t disparage transgender people, or encourage harm against them. It’s not a hateful or violent statement. It’s not even a statement about transgender people. Transgender people just disagree with it.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Transphobic speech is not acknowledging biological facts. Something that upsets trans people or that they disagree with is not automatically transphobic or hate speech. I will never understand how you don’t get this. I literally said if they said something hateful they should be reprimanded so idk where you’re getting this from? Not agreeing with trans ideology is not transphobia- it’s just disagreeing with trans ideology. And since qt and tras can not prove any of the things they say, I don’t think someone saying that trans women are not women should be fired. Unless they work at an lgbt center or something and they’ve agreed to support trans narratives and ideology. You’re basically saying anyone who doesn’t see the world as you do should be censored... again as I’ve said so many times, historically, the bad side does this, not the righteous.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you had a life or death medical emergency, and the only doctor who was able to treat you was openly gender critical, would you demand they be fired? Would you let yourself die rather than receiving life saving treatment from someone who disagrees with you? Even when your disagreement is irrelevant to the situation and didn’t prevent them being willing to operate on you?

Are Christians allowed to force everyone to go to church and tithe on Sundays, since they really truly believe in the gospel?

You cannot just act as if anything that isn’t what you believe is wrong and should be repressed. That’s how dictatorships are born. It’s dangerous and will inevitably become dangerous for you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes he should have been fired