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[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

GC trying to be PC and then tripping over themselves because of it is pathetic. Call it what it is instead of chickening out the second it doesn't sound "nice enough" to some group of people, and then letting all kinds of bullshit slip by just so someone's feewings wouldn't get huwt.

This isn't about being PC or trying not to hurt people's feelings. It's about using precise language consistent with the facts. Not all physical anomalies or the approximately 40 specific conditions known as DSDs/VSCs, or to use antiquated terminology, as "intersex," are disorders.

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Right, and having dysphoria isn't a mental illness, despite it being defined by extreme anxiety over something perfectly normal.

Having sexual organs that do not function because they literally physically failed to develop properly cannot possibly not be a developmental disorder. What the fuck is science coming to?

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right, and having dysphoria isn't a mental illness, despite it being defined by extreme anxiety over something perfectly normal.

Huh? We're not talking about "dysphoria" here; we're talking about DSDs and other physical conditions. Chalk and cheese.

Having sexual organs that do not function because they literally physically failed to develop properly cannot possibly not be a developmental disorder. What the fuck is science coming to?

I've made it clear that many people with conditions considered to be DSDs have sexual organs that function just fine. Some people with DSDs have sex organs that simply look different, or ended up in the wrong place, but they work just fine.

And some people with DSDs have sex organs that don't work normally in one way, but work normally in other ways. For example, many males with 5-ARD, the male DSD that Caster Semenya has, are missing penises or have very small ones. And their testes are often internal, or in the wrong place in the external groin. But their testicles work normally. They produce normal amounts of testosterone, and they make sperm too. With medical assistance, many such men can father children. And have. Like former World Cup ski champion from the 1960s, Erik Schinegger, formerly Erika:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgQ97TKxc8&t=3s

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Let's put it simply; can you acknowledge the fact that human beings have evolved a certain body plan and accompanying biology where abnormal individual deviation isn't representative of a normally developed human body consistently present in the vast majority of the population, and that severely disordered development that makes the human body lose its biological functions counts as something wrong with the body? The fact that some other parts of the person's body work is irrelevant to the fact that a certain body part does not. The fact that the person can mitigate their issue through medical intervention does not negate that there is a disorder, or else they wouldn't need medical intervention in the first place.

If you can't even acknowledge this, then it's no wonder you're struggling against someone on the level of Tea_Or_Coffee who couldn't even tell you the difference between a human and a snail.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's no wonder you're struggling against someone on the level of Tea_Or_Coffee

I think I'm doing just fine arguing against that poster. With you too. But thanks for the concern.