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[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The typical GC argument is that sex is reproduction, that we are biologically meant to reproduce. Females are biologically meant for being penetrated, and being inseminated by males, and their bodies are organized around being penetrated by males and giving birth.

Males are biologically meant for penetrating, and inseminating females, and their bodies are organized around inseminating females.

Like I said on the other thread you started, it's very clear you don't understand the difference between evolution of species and the sex, inclinations and behaviors of individual members of any given species. In every species - plant and animal - there are males and females that don't procreate for various reasons. Coz evolution.

You seem also not to understand that the definition of sex which boils down to which kind of gamete which developed, or was meant to develop, the potential capacity to produce/release at some later point in life is one that applies to all sexually-reproducing plants and animals, not just to mammals and other animals whose mode of sexual reproduction resembles mammalian reproduction. And that this definition has nothing to do with the wide variety of mechanisms by which male and female gametes - sperm and egg - meet up in various species, or where this happens and where/how offspring are gestated.

Females are biologically meant for being penetrated, and being inseminated by males, and their bodies are organized around being penetrated by males and giving birth.

No one with any grounding in basic biology, including no "GC" person, would ever say this! Coz reproduction for female plants and many, many different animal species does NOT involve the female being penetrated by males of their species. Similarly, the females of plants and many, many animal species do not conceive and gestate offspring within their bodies "give birth" the way mammals do. Birds, for example, lay eggs.

Similarly, no one with any knowledge of biology would claim

Males are biologically meant for penetrating, and inseminating females, and their bodies are organized around inseminating females.

Coz it's totally not true, LOL.

Please go read some biology textbooks and watch some nature videos. There's tons of material out there. And there's a reason the old-fashioned name for sex education is "the birds and the bees." Two kinds of animals that reproduce in ways entirely different to how humans and other mammals do. But which are still species that reproduce sexually and consist of males and females.

Trying to discuss the nuances of sex with someone so utterly in the dark about basic biology is like trying to teach ESL to someone who never learned to read and write in their own native language. Or like trying to discuss math with someone who never learned basic arithmetic such as the names of numbers and therefore doesn't how to count.

[–]Tea_Or_Coffee[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If sex is defined by gametes, doesn't that essentially mean sex is reproduction? Because gametes are for reproduction, and if sex is defined by gametes, then it follows sex is reproduction?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. It means you’re (presumably, and upon reaching sexual maturity) capable of contributing to the reproductive process in one of two distinct ways. Not that you’re obligated to. Not that if you don’t or can’t you are sexless. Childless people, people who get srs or lose their genitals in one of the weird scenarios qt always asks us to imagine, post menopausal women, people who have yet to procreate but intend to, children- they all have a sex.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If sex is defined by gametes, doesn't that essentially mean sex is reproduction? Because gametes are for reproduction, and if sex is defined by gametes, then it follows sex is reproduction?

Yes, when speaking of all the plants and animals that reproduce sexually, sex does relate to and is based on reproduction - or rather, potential capacity for reproduction. In every sexually-reproducing species, there are two categories of organism - male and female - based on the kinds of gametes that early in gestation they develop the potential capacity to produce (or in some cases to mature and release) at some point later in life.

But no, it does NOT follow that "sex is reproduction." Sex classification - whether one is male or female - is based on whether one has developed the anatomy to produce, or to mature and release, either ova or sperm at some point later in life. Which is not the same as saying "sex = reproduction." Lots of individual members of various plant and animal species do not reproduce, but they still have a sex coz they can be classified as either male or female.

Again, your lack of understanding of biology and evolution in general keeps tripping you up and making it difficult to discuss this with you.

Every plant and animal species has evolved to reproduce itself to keep its own species in existence and evolving so that the species is best equipped to survive over the long arc of history. This is known as reproduction of the species or perpetuation of species. The instinct to perpetuate itself is built in to every species, and perpetuation of the species is every species' paramount drive. But that does not mean that every individual member of each species has the same drive to reproduce, or any drive to reproduce at all. Nor does it mean every individual member in any given species has the same exact capacity to reproduce or ends up reproducing. Homosexuality is a thing, as is a wide variety of forms of infertility - and these are factors that can affect quite a number of individuals within any species.