Looking for both trans and GC people to work towards stopping predators from accessing our respective spaces

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Advocating for males who perform femininity to a certain degree to gain any access to any space for females is mens privilege activism. Males do not have any right to female spaces. Seperate third spaces is acceptable, but again, males cannot seriously expect to ask women to pick up their fight without acknowledging that it’s men’s activism. It’s certainly not feminism is any form since it is not for the benefit of women. It’s to the benefit of men who say/believe they are women.

Actually radical feminism is a pretty clearly defined topic academically and politically. Men’s wants and desires and needs do not form any part of it.

If ovarit has started accepting transwomen or male posters, or is happily peddling things like ~male bathrooms are feminist~ it’s too far gone to fix.

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Ovarit has stated since the beginning that they accept men, I don't believe they were ever barred from joining. And I suppose I'll have to take your word on the rest, and I'm going to have to just take all of our GC member's word that they're GC radfems. I mean, they can check out this thread and see your opinions on them and respond if they want, maybe they'll say they're libfems after all but it's not really my place to accuse them of being anything other than what they say they are.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I’m gonna laugh really really hard at anyone who tries to say they are a radical feminist or any kind of feminist whilst arguing for male privileges or for women to fight for males to get anything.

It’s as easy for hardcore qt folks to call themselves gc/a feminist/radfem as it is for males to say they are really girls. Taking someone at their word on the internet is unadvised.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Because trans ideology issue became so big, affecting whole society and is hurting kids - gender critical does not mean being gender critical feminist or being gender critical radical feminist anymore. One can be conservative christian gender critical misogynist, for example.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, but radfem is a lot more well defined that just ‘critical of gender’. GCfeminism at least clears up the idea that anyone here really supports conservative old ideas.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am reading Ovarit time to time, and it does not look like exclusively radfem space, it is more like "place moderated by few radfems".

GCfeminism at least clears up the idea that anyone here really supports conservative old ideas.

Valid point.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow ovarit is just a total waste of time then. Only signed up cause I thought it was by radfems for radfem leaning females. Might as well be Reddit if they’re gonna have groups where males can round up women to fix their problems with the men’s room.

I’m trying to drop gc from my vocab tbh. Gotten meaningless.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is still in majority of posts is focused on feminism and women problems. I think they said that they wanted to create safe space for women and radical feminists, where they can voice their opinions and talk freely, originally, I don't know what they are planning to do now. And I haven't seen there anything pro-trans or pro-transsexual. Maybe they mean their Discord?

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We created our own space on Zulip. Ovarit would never have us, I wasn't even going to try to suggest anything take place there. If anyone thinks they've gone soft, they've made sure to let me know they don't like having me there. Same with trans subs on Reddit, I did ask them but they wouldn't have it. We're really working on the predator problem is what our group is discussing, it's not a GCdebatesQT sort of group as it's focused on our mutual views.