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[–]comradeconradical[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, I also agree that sex is immutable. That gender identity has no actual bearing in reality, and that it actually becomes a performative obsession for many of those who follow this ideology. I personally don't believe in a "true trans" either, as dysphoria is also a mental condition that doesn't actually mean one's sex is wrong. As a GC feminist and someone educated in science and law, I have a firm view of gender identity as a mental issue or naivety exacerbated and encouraged by specific social spheres which is having adverse impact in many areas of life. I can feel compassion for the internal turmoil of dysphorics, but I don't believe that means the problem is with society at large, nor that it means we must redefine words like woman to be circular and stereotypically based rather than rooted in clear and measurable fact. What I don't understand, though, is self-id, and why it's so widely accepted with little to no push back despite the clear implications.

But the QT group often makes these arguments, about dysphoric trans and non-dysphoric trans, and about real trans people and fake trans people, which is why I wanted to hear how they reason the inconsistency.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hope you don't mind if I offer a piece of unsolicited advice: as a thought experiment, stop using the terms "dysphoria" and "dysphoric" and "gender dysphoria" for a couple of weeks and instead describe these people and the source of their distress more accurately. People with "gender dysphoria" are simply unhappy sexists who feel distress over/unease with their own natal sex coz they are covetous of the bodies and perceived privileges, advantages and "goodies" they mistakenly believe are the exclusive domain of the opposite sex.

There are tons of people past and present who've had to shoulder all sorts of physical and psychological conditions that are just as, or are far more, painful, distressing, life-limiting and socially disadvantageous than "gender dysphoria." Why is transpain seen as the only kind of suffering that counts?

[–]comradeconradical[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know, this is refreshing advice, much appreciated. I'll take you up on it. It's easy to get tunnel vision and forget the bigger picture of life and suffering. Also, I'm fairly active in GC circles but I also tend to soften my wording is debate in order not to alienate the other side- but truly why, when their views alienate me and my sex?

It must be horrible to feel so unhappy and disconnected from oneself, and it is horrible to recognize the sexist stereotypes and attitudes in society, but that doesn't mean our bodies are actually wrong or that society's expectations of sex roles and expression must be adhered to. You're right, the sexist tinge that accompanies it is extremely distasteful, and more the demands of many from this group are increasingly selfish and narcissistic.

The delusions of the involved individuals and the cult-behavior of the group are difficult to address and get through as outsiders because of how deeply entrenched they are, especially as the villainous GC, so it's more beneficial to challenge the views of the supporters who have not critically examined the ideology. That being said, I'm still hoping someone who is QT will approach the question of self-id and the 'no-true-scotsman' fallacy.