GC: I have questions that need answers

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Question 2.

“Because of trans people and IVF, procreation can happen without a man and a woman?”

Lol if you believe TWAW/TMAM, then they’re basically saying: a man (male) and a woman (female) can procreate. A transman (female) and a man/transwoman (male) can procreate. Or a transwoman (male) and a woman/transman (female) can procreate. No matter how you slice it, the male is producing the sperm and the female is gestating. So it still comes down to sex. It will always come back to sex.

“So everyone is sexless because IVF exists and procreation can happen without a man and a woman?”

Still need all the same ingredients whether it’s ivf or the old fashioned way. So it can happen without intercourse, but not without sex. Ivf wouldn’t be possible if we were sexless. We wouldn’t even be here.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lets not forget that you still need to know into whom to put fertilized egg by IVF. You can't just put it in any human. So you need to know sex of the person, and only one of two sexes is able to gestate from IVF, and this is including infertile women or some intersex conditions, in which woman for one or other reason do not have their own eggs - their organism is still developed to support eggs and childbirth, so IVF is possible. While you can't take "sexless" boy or man after loosing his genitals and make them gestate a child through IVF - their body still not supports this, even thought it became "sexless" by OP's logic.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also, Mez infertile does not necessarily mean a persons has no gametes. Lots of infertile people have or can make plenty of eggs or sperm, it's just that for for various reasons their eggs and sperm aren't "viable," meaning capable of conception. For some people with infertility, the issue isn't with the eggs or sperm themselves, it's with the fluids that are necessary for sperm to travel towards an egg and for conception to occur - the components of seminal fluid made by the prostate and other glands in the case of males, and cervical mucosa in the case of females.

With current assisted reproductive technology and methods, some people's eggs and sperm that can't accomplish conception on their own via the old-fashioned route (PIV coitus) can be made to work for procreation purposes.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Answer was about ones who do not have ova, as it was in question of "being sexless for lacking eggs or sperm".