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[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

If a man or a woman has this complete surgery where they remove the entirety of genitalia, and I mean all genitalia, nothing is left there, do they become sexless after surgery?

And if they don't become sexless after surgery, why don't they become sexless? I thought genitalia and gametes determine sex, so when there is no genitalia or gametes, there is no sex? Saying sex is defined by genitalia and gametes would exclude a cix man or cis woman that removes the whole genitalia in surgery.

You need to use proper terminology that is "inclusive" of both sexes. Gametes come from gonads and gonads are not necessarily the same as genitals.

In humans, only the male gonads (the testes) are part of the genitals. Female gonads (the ovaries) are internal organs inside the abdomen; they are not part of the female genitals.

A woman could have her genitals and vagina entirely removed - her uterus too - and still retain her ovaries.

You question whether sex exists, but the way you frame your views and arguments seems sexist and male supremacist. You seem to think that males are the default humans, that male anatomy constitutes "the norm" for the human species.

I dunno what country you're in, but if it's the US or somewhere in the Middle East, I suggest you visit a hospital ward or rehab facility for men who've lost their lower bodies or had horrific groin injuries due to bomb blasts and combat and ask them your questions. They'll be thrilled, I'm sure, to hear that in your view they no longer are men, but have been rendered entirely sexless.

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    [–]yousaythosethings 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Do you ever wonder why bottom surgery in trans women never seems to involve removing the prostate even though women don’t have prostates? Women don’t produce semen so why is the prostate kept in tact during bottom surgery? Why does it seem that no trans women talk about how dysphoric their prostates make them feel?

    [–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I imagine you already know that the answer: Males who identify as trans keep their prostates coz their prostates give them enormous amounts of sexual pleasure. And they don't talk about how "dysphoric" their prostates make them feel for several reasons: 1) this body part does not actually make them "dysphoric" coz of the sexual pleasure the prostate brings them; 2) coz they can't see their own prostates and nobody else can see them either - and "trans" people are obsessed with appearance and being "trans" is largely about appearance and being seen; 3) talking about their prostates would reveal the dirty little secret of the trans movement, which is that for males who identify as trans, both their cross-sex identity and their "dysphoria" are sexually motivated and are an expression of male sexuality and male libido.

    [–]yousaythosethings 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yes, this is what I’m getting at. Trans women’s dysphoria often seems awfully conveniently selective and superficial. But I was hoping OP would also ponder these questions on their own and give it serious thought.

    [–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I have a hard time figuring out exactly who comments are addressed to on this forum, especially on long threads.